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  1. Garbanza

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    I agree. The defense has played better than expected. The offense far worse than expected. Brady has some serious rust and the o-line's pass protection has been poor.
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    Your analysis is pretty good your opening statement is off though.

    I know we all thought the running game was going to be used to get Brady going again but apperently he feels the best way to get him going is to have him actually throw (not to crazy an idea.

    call it soft or whatever but they went into a hostile environment and played there ass off today. if two of three field goal drives in the first half were TDs then we win if one was its tied and who knows. On one of those drives Brady missed a wide open Edelman and on another Edelman droped a wide open pass. Despite all the struggles today they could have won this game if a couple of plays were different.

    we are one and one and Brady hasn't looked like himself except for 5 min at the end of the Bills game.

    We didn't have two of our best players in Mayo and Welker and another one of best Defenders was out for half the game in Merriweather and this was still a winable game. STs, Penalties, and Shakey play by Brady lost this one today.
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  3. KontradictioN

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    Oh, and one more thing. While I think the OL did a terrible job of pass protection, I think they did a good enough job of run blocking. When the team DID run, Fred Taylor managed 5.8 YPC and Maroney averaged nearly 4.0 (3.8 to be exact). That's pretty solid if you ask me. So that "poof" sound that you're hearing right now, that's your theory of the running game being cut out because of bad run blocking.
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    I thought you were 99% on in this post.

    One quibble. The Patriots' fans mentioning the chants of Brady sucks are not defending his performance today. That chant is the equivalent of Sox fans chanting "Jeter sucks" after Jeter strikes out two or three times in a game. In other words, it's lame. That doesn't stop Sox fans from chanting it though.
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    How about giving some credit to the other team? What is with all this rubbish about heart and how he looked on the final drive. Seriously you must be joking with this. The ball to Edelman on the 10 that was a 2nd and 2 was a drop, drop got it. He should have scored easily but he started to run before he caught it. Your obviously especially upset with this loss, because you've been running your Rex Ryan Slimfast ad campaign in your sig.

    Here's what I see in less words.

    This team has allot of new moving parts that have'nt come together yet. OFF. Cord., New backs and recievers. Young guys in bigger roles on Def. A star quarterback who hasn't played in a year. Atlanta gets beat. Doubt is powerfull fuel for championship teams, keep up the good work.
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    i would consider welker to be brady's safety blanket....do u believe maybe tom was even more uneasy b/c wes wasnt in the game?
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    The amount of overloads they got today!!!! The line played well. The Offensive staff did nothing to help them out, but they are still finging their way. Seriously, the line stunk.. I thought they were out manned and held up real well with few protection breakdowns......
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    The problem I see with this team goes back to the 07 Superbowl. The offensive scheme that they use can't stand up to the type of defense the Giants threw at us and both the Bills and the Jets definitely learned from that game. Ever since Charlie Wiess left the coaching on the offensive side of the ball has gone down hill. Despite the undefeated season in 07, they lost the Superbowl, so the rest is meaningless. This years game planning on the offensive side has SUCKED!!!! There is no excuse going into play the Jets and having no answer for a defense that the coaches KNEW was coming. Belichek over the years has been a master at building and managing the player personnel side. But he has FAILED completely on the development of new coaching on the offensive side of the ball. The truth is they should be 0-2 against middle of the road teams who will not contend for playoff spots and there seems to be no answer from the coaching staff. My question is has Belichek gotten too full of himself, too complacent in game planning and preparation and not adjusting to the fact that the NFL knows how to beat the Patriots. Could be a very long year.
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    Well Gentlemen, heres one positive to take out of this weekends action. Both the jaguars and titans lost (both 0 and 2). We got there 2nd round picks next year..
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    Either look around in other threads or just ask Gunnails how much credit I gave to the other team. The Jets earned it, but the Pats had multiple chances to win this game and the offense blew it. Sorry, but I didn't see any heart on that side of the ball and saw even less of it at the end of the game. If you thought the team played with heart, then I'm terrified to see what they would look like if they DIDN'T play with any.

    What? That ball was clearly overthrown. Edelman didn't even come close to catching it, much less "started running before he caught it".

    Try that I'm upset with the loss because I love the Pats, love Brady as a player, and hate the Jets. I wasn't exactly thinking, "damn, my sig on Patsfans.com slash messageboard is going to make me look bad when they lose! Great Scott! What am I to do?". :rolleyes:

    Uh, alvin, I'm not sure if you noticed this or not (but I am talking to the same guy that is blaming the missed Edelman opportunity on Edelman instead of Brady, so I'm not surpised), but the defense has a helluva lot more moving parts than the offense does, and they clearly outplayed their counterparts on the other side of the ball. You're making excuses for a crappy performance. Luckily for us, Belichick is not.

    Cool! So I can look forward to Brady saying, "We won this because KontradictioN said we looked awful in Week 2!" when he hoists the Lombardi trophy after Super Bowl 44. Oh, and one more thing... make not mistake about it: I still believe that this team is going to finish their season in Miami this year.
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    I am not using this as an excuse for losing today but can someone find me 1 passing play where a jets player was not hanging all over our wr's before the ball got there. It seemed like every pass play they were getting there early or hitting our arms or pulling jersey's and nothing was being called. To me that was total BS. I feel that the offense is too predictable as it showed when edelman got blown up on that quick pass to the right. We have to come out and go double tight and run power and mix in the spread. We can't just go spread all day and throw on good defenses. I do think when welker comes back that will be huge with 4 wides of moss, galloway, welker and edelman. 1 loss doesn't make a season but I think we need to improve quickly as that will turn into 4,5,6 losses before we know it.
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    We won a couple of Super Bowls by being physical with WRs. That said, there could have been a couple of more flags thrown on the Jets for pass interference today. However, that isn't what lost us the game.
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    Couldnt agree with your more about the play calling. Just got done watching
    the charger against the ravens. Rivers was pressured just as much as Brady was today but the difference is Rivers was standing in the pocket and hitting go routes to receivers and tight ends. It reminded me of the Pats 07 season. I didnt see any of that out of the Pats today.
    Whatever the problem is (I tend to lean to the OFF COOR) the pats better fix it real quick or this will be a long season.
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    Wow, what a stud O-line that would turn out to be. I like Mayo, but if you are "Mike Martz" insane enough to throw the football 50+ times a game, you better draft some studs on O-line. When Oher dropped to the Pats with their first pick, I thought for sure they were going to take him but they traded out and got Chung. After hearing Oher's story, I was shocked the Pats didn't pick this kid. Talk about beating adversity.
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    The only difference between the Chargers and the Pats is that the Pats have more healthy RB's than the Chargers. Sproles is electric, but he isn't a guy you want to hand off to 15-20 times a game. The Pats have 4 RB's that can carry the load but rarely use them. It's really bizarre.
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    Yeah. I love Mayo too. We really could have struck gold either way there. On top of that, we still don't know what we're going to have with SeaBass in a few years. However, it would have been really nice to have Clady or Oher today.
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    A drop by Edelman...........and a crucial drop by Thomas......with those 2,it's a different story.
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    Looking at the team, they are not any near as talented as 2007 (duh). But player by player the Jets stack up very well against the Patriots. Wilfork, Warren and Thomas (and Mayo) would be the only defensive players that might start for the Jets.

    Coaches can coach and scheme but you need the horses to win the big games.

    Maybe I am crazy but I think the team claws its way into the playoffs, after that anything can happen. Lets consider these games character builders.
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    I agree with you a 100%. My point was more about the difference in play calling.
    Primarily from a year ago. Matt Cassell and OFF COOR Mcdaniels looked better than what I have seen the last 2 weeks..
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    Do you think TB missing a year and then coming back to a brand new Cord. has anything to do with it?
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