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  1. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Note to mods: Ian told me to repost this.

    I honestly can't remember the last time I saw the team as a whole look as pathetic as they did today. And, when you read this, keep in mind that I have a long history on this forum and those that know me don't generally know me to be a "Chicken Little". There just didn't seem to be any heart from top to bottom. Here are my thoughts:

    1. Brady: If he keeps playing scared like he did today and last week, it's going to be a long season for us. I had actually made a thread in the preseason detailing my concerns about how he wasn't stepping into his throws all the way and looked skiddish in the pocket and had it dismissed by others who quickly reminded me that, "it's the preseason". Too true. It's just too bad those concerns translated into the regular season. Tommy came out last week and immediately pulled the same stunt. His mechanics bordered on horrible. Sure, he was pressured at times. But even at times which he wasn't pressured, he seemed to be hurring his throws and not stepping fully into a pass. For some reason, that stopped in the 4th quarter. Jaws was kind enough to point out to us that Brady began stepping into his throws and, when that happened, we were able to drive effortlessly down the field which Brady comfortably making throws within and outside of 15 yards. Today, he just didn't seem to carry that 4th quarter confidence over with him and again looked rusty. From beginning to the end he never seemed comfortable and, even during times when the pressure wasn't there, didn't fully step into throws and/or hurried them. It's very obvious that the mental hurdle for Brady is still a very tall one and our offensive line doesn't seem to be helping him out that much. Hopefully he can get his act together because the season doesn't appear to get any easier with match-ups against Atlanta and Baltimore coming up.

    Coaching: I was absolutely bewildered today at our near complete abandonment of the run... again. When we first brought in Freddy Taylor to run with Maroney, Faulk, and Morris, my original thoughts were that we were going to lean heavily on the running game in the beginning of the year until Tommy gets his bearings again. Well, again today, it turned out I was wrong. Simply put, Brady cannot attempt 47 passes in a game against a Rex Ryan defense with the way he was playing today and still expect to win. During the times when we DID go with the running game, I thought Taylor and LoMo looked great... especially coming out of draw plays. However, there were just too many series where the ball was put into Brady's hands, and he just simply wasn't ready to lead us for the whole game. At the end of the first half, we were beginning to break off good chunks of yardage for every running play we called. Why we didn't go with that formula in the second half is beyond me. Just bad coaching there.

    Offensive Line: The OL did a good job of not allowing Brady to get sacked, but you can probably contribute that to Brady getting rid of the ball quickly when it looked like the sack was coming instead of the O-Line. In all, Brady was pressured pretty much all day despite under 20 blitzes being called by the Jets defense. He was hit time and time again and was hit hard. If he continues taking that kind of abuse, he will be injured by season's end. Those of us that called for the team to draft Ryan Clady in the wake of the 2007 season and Oher in the wake of the 2008 season are wondering why not. The pass protection has GOT to improve because this Jets team isn't going to be the only team we see this season that is going to bring the heat on Brady. The one thing the OL did good today was run block. However, like I said, the running game just wasn't used effectively enough to take advantage of that.

    WRs: This unit was clearly hurting by the loss of Welker. I know I'm not alone, but I wish him a speedy recovery. Lord knows that we're going to need his services in the next two weeks. Edelman did look great today and, despite the *****ing and moaning of those on the Galloway hate train, Joey caught 5 balls for 53 yards. Not all that bad. However, neither of them can do what Wes does. Because of Wes, the defense is forced to commit to coverage underneath which takes the heat off of Moss. With Welker out, the Jets' defense keyed in on Moss and all but completely took him out of the game. By the way, Galloway shouldn't take flak for that would-be touchdown. He was open but Brady threw the ball too late. Edelman also would have had a touchdown as well had the ball not been thrown away from him. All in all, I wasn't terribly impressed by the play of the WRs today, but they are getting way too much flak thrown their way for the loss. When Welker gets back, I think we'll see the passing game that we're all accustomed to. I would also love to see Edelman become the other slot receiver on the other side of Welker. That would be one very dangerous passing game with those two operating underneath along with Watson and Baker.

    Defense: Clearly we are missing the presence that Seymour brought to this team. The push that used to come off of his side of the line has been non-existant in the first two games so far. With that said, I thought that the defense did a good enough job with what they were asked to do today. They contained the Jesters running game and kept Washington and Jones within check. However, the coaching staff needs to realize that more pressure has to come from the linebackers at times. We cannot simply rely on that four man rush coming from the line against a good OL like the one the Jets have. Today, that four man rush simply wasn't getting to Sanchez and he ate us for lunch. When BB finally decided to mess around with some blitzes, we got pressure and hit Sanchez (the one by TBC stands out). I know that if you live by the blitz, you die by the blitz. I understand that. However, if we don't blitz against a good OL, we don't get to the QB. It's as simple as that.

    Special Teams: Do I even have to say anything here. Just wow. I know Leon Washington is dangerous but wow...

    Penalties: We shot outselves in the foot time and time again with needless penalties. Since BB has been coaching this team, I cannot remember the last time we got two delay of game penalties... IN A ROW. The holding and false start penalties were costly. We just didn't play smart, Bill Belichick football today and we payed for it.

    Final thoughts: I know it's against the law around here to go against Tommy and agree with Jets fans, but those of you whining and complaining about the Jet fans chanting "Brady sucks" need to take a step back. They were right. Brady did suck today. However, he will get better. All athletes have a mental hurdle they need to climb after a serious injury and Brady's is going to be bigger because he was considered Iron Man before his injury and the injury didn't occur until later in his career. But, rest assured, he will start stepping into this throws down the line. When he gets back to his old self, Welker gets back, and Mayo gets back, this team will be very VERY dangerous. Hopefully Tommy and Wes can take steps into those directions quickly because we have a tough test coming up in Atlanta.
     
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    Well said...thanks for taking the time to write it down. I am sure some will criticize you, but well said.
     
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    Good post. I think there are some struggles ahead, but this team has the potential to be very dangerous.

    The penalties were unreal though. I could not believe how many there were today.
     
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    Well said Kontra. Very nice analysis of the game and the hurtles that we have. I, like you, thought that Brady played poorly today and will only get better. He just wasnt himself out there and needs to get back into the rhythm he had before his injury. He will be fine and we will be fine as a team. Bill Belichick is a great coach and will do whats best to get us back on track.

    Good work as always.
     
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    Offensive line played horrible this game, last game and last all year. We cant afford to have a skittish Brady and a line that gives up the 2nd most sacks again this year.
     
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    It's already happened. Take a look in the postgame thread.

    And for future reference, I want to direct this at those of you who will criticize me for being a Chicken Little, despite the fact that there are many here who can tell you that I'm not: The coach of the team, Mr. Belichick, agrees with my analysis. If you think that this team played a good game today, please sent me some of what you are smoking. I'll PM you my address if you want.

    That said, with how horribly this team played today, they were still a TD away from tying it up. For opposing fans, mark my words: Brady WILL get his bearings under him, Welker WILL return, and Mayo WILL be back. This team WILL be a force to be reckoned with down the line.
     
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    Brady wasn't sacked once today. He was, however, hit all day. I personally think the latter is worse.
     
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    I think that anyone that thought Brady would be back to his 07 form after missing an entire season is out of their mind. He will get better. I have no doubt. Many of you need to excersize some patience. It will take a few games.

    I thought the defense did okay. Wilhite was scary - but giving up 16 points is usually a decent effort. The loss was squarely on TB and the O-line's shoulders.
     
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    I'm confident that Brady will get the kinks worked out. We'll be fine.
     
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    Defense was good.

    Offense was terrible. Brady didn't seem focused. How many delay of game penalties? That's just pathetic.
     
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    "I was absolutely bewildered today at our near complete abandonment of the run... again. "

    I have been thinking this for a while now. Two years ago we had an amazing pass offense, but we lost our running game. Yes, we do run. But as soon as the yards get tough, we take to the air. So now we cannot run for a first down in short yardage situations. There is no committment to the run. BB leans way too heavily on Brady. I would prefer to let BRady throw on his terms. Instead, we get this. Well, we will see what BB can build with this offense.
     
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    We're lucky to not be 0:2. I think we looked worse last week and we won the game!
     
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    Terrific opening post
     
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    well said. BRady does need to step into his throws. THis team needs a workhorse RB.. Faulk Taylor and Morris r getting up in age....


    Get me a big ugly to pass and run block effectively. BRady the knee will be fine step into your throws.
     
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    Kontra, you hit the nail on the head. I completely agree with everything that you said. Sorry folks. I love Brady, he's my favorite player in the league, but he did suck today. I can't stand the mouth breathing Jests, but even their inbread fans could see something was wrong.

    The O-line wasn't the problem. Defensive linemen weren't afraid that our linemen were going to be aggressive and get in their face with some good old fashioned run blocking. As a result, our strong offensive line was put in a position where they could be picked at and attacked for 4 quarters. YOU HAVE TO RUN THE BALL TO STAY COMPETITIVE. LAST WEEK WAS AN ABORATION.

    Once again, Kontra you are right. If we stop shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties, improve our special teams play, make some damn adjustments when things aren't working, and run the damn ball, we'll be fine when Mayo and Welker come back.
     
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    With the delay of game I think that was Brady milking the playclock down in order for the Jets defense to declare or rather show what they were going to do. If the clock gets down to 1 then they know the ball has to be hiked and that takes away the last second movement.

    Brady DID NOT get sacked which is good but the penalties they had were not obviously.
     
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    Are you watching the game? Or do you not comprehend what you're watching and back up your facts with simple statistics?

    It's pretty ridiculous to say because he wasn't sacked once today the OL did a good job protecting him. Did you not hear the analysts say time and time again "Brady hits the deck"

    How long will he last with the protection being this bad? But forget about pass protection. What about run blocking? Everyone hear is begging why they went away from running. Well, when you're getting 2, at best 3-4 yards every other pop that's not going to work. The OL not only got Brady knocked up all day, the RBs had no holes to run through. You can't blame anyone but the ponies, not the horses, we have upfront.

    I'm tired of watching them week in and out be weak up the middle. I'm tired of watching Brady get beat. They need to improve.
     
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    I missed the game (up all night with trauma, so I was sleeping), so I obviously can't comment on specifics. However, from what I can tell, the defense hasn't been the problem so far this season. They held the Jets to 254 yards total offense and 16 points, and held Buffalo to around 280 yards total offense and 17 points (the remaining 7 coming on a defensive TD). So much for the theory that our offense was going to have to carry us and win 38-35 shootouts. The secondary has been the strongest we've seen in a long while. The LBs corps was thin going in and Mayo's loss has been huge, but the LBs have performed reasonably given those constraints. The DL hasn't been up to par so far. Seymour's loss has definitely hurt. I don't see Jarvis Green as the answer. But again, the defense has not been the problem.

    Perhaps people will give up the idea that this offense is going to be a 2007 juggernaut. Anytime you put 9 points on the board and get shut out in the 2nd half, you can't expect to win. With the exception of the last 5 minutes against Buffalo, the offense has so far put up 22 points and one TD in 7 and a half quarters of play - obviously not adequate. We led at the half today, but the Jets shut down our offense when it counted, so they deserved to win today.

    Lots of adjustments to be made, and a lot of work to be done to make this team play up to its potential. But SBs are played in February, not September.
     
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    Please read the entire opening post. By your reply, I can tell that you obviously didn't. In the post, I state that Brady did not get sacked, but got hit entirely too much. I know it's long, but you can read it...
     
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    Carson Palmer never got back to where he was but hopefully Tommy can do it.
     
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