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    So how good is he and do you think he will turn them into a team that can win the division?
    Was he the brains behind the Ravens defense? I wonder if he would want to go after Peppers from Carolina or maybe his own Ray Lewis who is a free agent. What do you think?
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    Ray Lewis in NYC? What could possibly go wrong?

    I concur with most that Ryan's a good pick for the Jets, and while I know there's a good deal of creativity that one can do in cap management (and not so creative like cutting Favre) I think if the Jets are smart they go for many middle-priced players as opposed to a big splash like Ray Lewis.

    I'm guessing that Suggs or Lewis winds up getting an extension - with Lewis being the more likely because I think he actually likes it in Baltimore - and the possibility that the Ravens suck it up and accept the $10 million they'd have to pay Suggs for another tagged year if they don't reach a deal

    So I'm not sure that either guy will be available (though a trade for a franchised Suggs isn't out of the question), nor that Ryan would want to go that route and make one big splash so early in his first go round as a HC. He's got some quality parts to a defense already, but he needs more bodies than just one big superstar anchor that's going to eat up the cap space he needs to be bringing in a lot of "middle class" quality players.
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    This is clearly a case of the players making the coach. Suggs, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and company ... the Rats will be an 8-8 or 9-7 at best team. The Rats merely excahnged one coach whose ego is overblown with another whose ego is too big for reality.
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    Rex Ryan is not a well spoken, smooth operator, with a witty quote a la the Tuna. He is a gruff, tongue-tied, foul-mouthed, football Coach of the Old School. Probably a pretty good Coach too. BUT...

    He will get chewed up, throughly masticated, and spit out by the full time NYC Mediots; and the juvenile jackass jesters in JEST joke-land. :stars2:

    Too bad. :mad: :spygate:
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    If the Jets sign anyone other then their own draft picks this year i'd be surprised. Rex Ryan may be able to make the Jets a top 5 defense, but they still have no QB and are in salary cap hell.
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    Ryan is a good coach but he's walking into an organization that is dysfunctional AT BEST with a premier 40 year old quarterback who can decide whether or not he wants to "just be a kid again" or retire, spotty offense outside of that, and the New York media.
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    but they still have no QB and are in salary cap hell.
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    I didn't know about their cap issue.
    thanks
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    His name is Wrecks Ryan.
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    He certainly worries me more than Mangenius.
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    Hey, I like that. He can also go by TeleTubby II. Or, Tubby Rex. After they go 5-11 next season, we can change that to Tubby Wrecks.
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    As long as Favre retires that gets us about 6 mil under the cap plus there are several players who will be cut. Factor that in with a couple contract re works and our cap is fine
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    Kinda sucks either way if you think about it, if Favre retires then the qb position becomes a huge question mark but like you said the jets would save about 6mil in cap space , if Favre stays im not sure what you can expect from him at this point in his career and is costing the jets way too much for that kind of production.
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    IMO theres no downside to favre retiring. We need to find a QB of the future and I would love to give Brett Ratliff a shot. I would sign a vet QB as a fallback but with the good run game/o-line we have I think he could be put in a position to succeed
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    As Miguel is fond of reminding everyone, there's a great many different ways to create cap space.

    I still don't think one more big name is what the Jets need. They got lucky this season and had hardly any injuries - the least in the NFL - and still finished with a defacto 8-8 record. They'll need better quality depth in the future and I'm giving Ryan some credit expecting that he knows this.
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    I agree with the notion of less may be more. While I would love a big splash like Peppers or Suggs I think the best route to go may be to sign middle class FA's this year
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    $6 million maybe. It depends on incentive bonuses from last season. Plus, the Jets like every other team in the league are going to have to worry about NLTBE bonuses in the 2009 season (all NLTBE bonuses are recognized at the point of achieving them rather than the following year's cap). Every team is going to have to carry extra cap space next year to account for it unless they get a new CBA in place.

    As for reworking contracts, don't bet on it. The uncapped year is going to stop a lot of teams from being able to restructure contracts because you cannot spread out roster and other bonuses over multiple years. Also, there is a rule that no player's 2010 base salary can more than 30% of their 2009 salary. Meaning you cannot just turn part of the 2009 salary into a roster bonus and spread it out over multiple years like most teams do to create space.

    Six million dollars will not get the Jets far in free agency when you factor in the limitations of the uncapped year and the fact they will need about $4 million or so for rookies. They will have trouble freeing up more cap room, as will most teams. Also, the Jets will need to invest at least $2-3 million on a veteran QB to replace Favre unless they want to go with Clemmens or Ratcliff as their starter and a rookie to develop.

    With or without Favre, the Jets will not have a lot of room to do anything this offseason.
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    We will be limited but cutting guys like David Barrett, David Bowens, Chris Baker, Kenyon Coleman and maybe Shaun Ellis can also save us upwards of ten mil. I think a couple guys will restructure to create some cap flexibility for sure
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    The problem is that this year is far different than any other year because of the uncapped year. I may be wrong, but most of the easiest ways to create cap room without actually cut players are not going to be allowed.

    If a player has a $7 million base salary, any other year you could just convert some or most of that money into a roster bonus. But you do that this year, you don't reduce his cap number by a penny. You somehow convince the guy to take less base salary this year say down to $3 million, his 2010 base salary cannot be more than $3.9 million or that will not be allowed. It is going to be a real problem for a lot of teams. At least as I understand it.

    Hey, I could be wrong, but from what I see with the restrictions on the cap most teams will have real problems creating cap space. I'm sure Bill Polian is staying up night trying to figure out how he is going to handle Peyton Manning's $21 million cap hit and $14 million base salary (his 2010 base salary is $15.8 million). So the most he can reduce Manning's base salary this year without touching next year's salary too is about $2 million.
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    Again, how do they restructure? Take a pay cut? How often does that happen? Especially after Tannenbaum is perceived to have screwed over players in the past who took paycuts. You cannot restructure like you did in the past.

    I don't know about the cap hits and salaries of Jets players. So I can't speak to them and their cap hits.
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    As for Ryan, I think he is a good defensive coordinator. But so was Marvin Lewis. He was a defensive genius when he was with the Ravens and now he is clueless. Ryan may not end up like Lewis, but the Ravens are an immensly talented defense with at least two future HOFers. It could be the players over the coaching. I guess we will see in the next few years.
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    PLease educate me on these multiple players we screwed over. I know that Rhodes cap number is high can be reworked. I dont pretend to be an cap expert but I also heard Brandon Moore's bonus can be changed to count less on the cap, or so I have heard:confused:
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    There was Pete Kendall. Then Coles complained about Tannenbaum lying to him about a pay increase which led to a public feud and the Jets backing down and making his entire contract guaranteed. Followed by Baker claiming he was lied to also.

    Again, Rhodes' cap number is high, but how do they reduce it with the new rules? I did find the site below. It appears there is nothing they can do unless Rhodes is willing to give up part of his roster bonus which is doubtful. The reason his cap number is so high is because he has a $9 million roster bonus. If this was any other year, that bonus would be spread out evenly over the life of his contract (something the Jets were counting on when they signed Rhodes), but now the entire thing is recognized this year.

    BTW, according to this site, the Jets are over $16 million over the projected cap, not $6 million. If it is true, the Jets will have to do more than cut Favre to get under it. Maybe Miguel knows these guys and can vouche how accurate they usually are or aren't.

    New York Jets Salary Cap
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    Pete Kendall asked for a pay raise around the combine in 06, Tannenbaum said his demands were acceptable but it was Mangini who was stuborn and did not want to give into his demands. You can check that one if you would like b/c I was there for the whole fiasco. Coles said he was lead to believe that the Jets would give him an extension which the Jets would be retarded to do, instead they guaranteed his salary this year as well as last year. Baker I do not remember accurately so I will pass

    edit: you are right on Baker
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    If I remember correctly, Kendall took a paycut ($1 million) and was promised the money back if he performed. He did and the Jets renegged. Since Tannenbaum is the GM and cap guy, I don't know how Mangini overruled him. Mangini acted like an arse towards Kendall by putting him in the rookie dorm and making him play out of position with the third and fourth stringers in a preseason game, but I don't remember him being the one who vetoed the pay increase.
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    If the coach doesnt want something done I dont think it would be in the best interest for the GM to do it anyway. It was Kendall himself who said Tannenbaum was on board with the idea. yes mangini was a total a##hole towards Kendall
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    Actually, while I love me some JESTenfreude, I'm fairly sure the restrictions on roster bonuses only apply to new contracts (including renegotiations), but not existing ones.
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    No I am pretty sure it is every one not just deals signed this year. How else could Rhodes count over $10 million towards the cap when his base salary is $750k and prorated bonus is $666k? The only way it could count is if his roster bonus of $9 million was not prorated.

    Everywhere I have read, it said all roster bonuses and NLTBE bonuses cannot be pushed into later years. Why would there be a rule for roster bonuses when any bonus this year on a new deal written this offseason would be a signing bonus?
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    I am very impressed with Ryan as a coach, but yet I still think it's a good thing that he's headed to the Jets. I think it will be good for the Patriots to play against his type of pressure defense twice a year...it will lessen the chances of any "suprises" from other teams when the playoffs come around.

    I don't see the Jets as a threat to win the division, but then again nobody saw Miami winning the division this year.
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