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    The coin toss. Do you like it? Obviously, BB does, apparently at the College level it has provided a statistical advantage. But I couldn't help feeling on Denver's first drive down the field how I would love to see the offense get on the field first and set the tone, allowing Cassel to warm up and settle in instead of sitting on the sidelines. Of course, the turnover changed all that and vindicated the decision. Now that we've seen it a few times already, your thoughts about it as the season progresses? It seems pretty clear that BB plans to defer any winning toss.
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    It's a great thing to do if you go into the lead with the half. Being able to score on the first possession of the 2nd half helps a lot.
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    I like it. Well except in game one.

    As has been explained if you chose to take the ball to start the game you have no real advantage as the other team gets it at half but if you chose to defer and you score leading into the half you get a chance for 2 scores in row. And I think this has helped us once or twice this year.
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    Definately think it's best. If you're winning at halftime, you have a chance to extend it. If you're losing at halftime, you make sure that they do not have a chance to extend before you do.
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    I'm all confused as to how this deferment is new?

    before, you either chose to kick or recieve, and you would get the opposite to start the 2nd half. This is how it works in every video game released for the last 20 years and I can't remember if I ever watched a team get the ball to start both halves...

    Can someone explain to me, exactly what changed?
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    Before the team that won the coin toss got to pick whether to receive or kickoff in the first half and the other team got to pick in the second half. Naturally both teams chose the ball to start the half.

    Now, however, the coin toss winner can defer the decision and make their decision for the second half.

    Personally I don't like deferring but I'm a puss who hates to be behind at any point in the game.
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    Before, you could choose to kick or receive to start the game. Then at the beginning of the second half, the other team would choose if they wanted to kick or receive. So this is why everyone would receive. Because it was certain that they would not get the ball to start the second half either.
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    I thought EA's motto was "If it's in the Game, it's in the game"

    I've always in Digital Football kicked off because I wanted the ball in the second half...
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    Well that is their motto. But they always got the coin toss wrong.
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    I guess it's about momentum. How often do you get to the half and have a situation where you think the game could either get away from you or you could put it away with scores either side of half time?

    You don't get that sort of momentum shift ever at the beginning of the game.

    I would always defer.
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    Nothing is new, it's exactly the same as before. The winner of the coin toss got to choose whether to kick or receive in the first half and would get the opposite in the second half. Deferring may be the most pointless rule change in the history of the game. What dumbass team that wins the coin toss would decide to kick in the first half and then kick again in the second half? Of course you want the ball in the second half if you kick off in the first half. Pointless!
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    It is not the same as before.

    Under the old system:
    -The winner was forced to chose whether they wanted to kick/receive in the first half.
    -The loser was forced to chose whether they wanted to kick/receive in the second half.
    -It was not automatically the opposite in the second half. If you won the toss and decided to kick, the other team still had the option of deciding to receive in the second half. Obviously, this was stupid, so no one did it. If you won the toss you were forced to receive the ball to start the game.

    Under the new system:
    -The winner can decide whether they want to chose to kick/receive for the the first or the second half. If they chose to defer their decision to the second half, the losing team gets to chose whether they wanted to kick/receive for the first half, and much like the situation of the OLD winning team, are forced to receive.

    Basically: Before the winning team on the coin toss was forced to receive in the first half, now they can chose to receive in the first or the second half.
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    LOL, it's NEVER been that way. Never. Your football knowledge is showing again!
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    Here is why I think deferring helps. Defenses tire before offenses.

    So if you can have a long drive at the start of the 3rd quarter add in half time plus maybe being on offense at end of the 2nd you can give your defense an extended rest to still be fresh in the 4th, while the other team's defense only get a short rest. There is no adv to resting the defense at the beginning of the 1st Q, they ain't tired yet.
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    Exactly, you have the opportunity to wear down the opposing defense because they will be on the field for two possessions in a row while icing the opposing offense while they are on the bench during that period play the halftime.
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    I really like Deferring. Especially if you are confident in your defense. It gives you such an edge to get the ball first in the second half.
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    I wouldn't say you are wearing out the opposing defense since halftime is in between, but there is a great opportunity for significant momentum.
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    Regardless of why it's better to defer, it is better. Statistically, the team that gets the ball to start the 2nd half has a slightly better winning percentage. So it's bizarre to me that so many teams are still asking for the ball at the opening kickoff. As a fan, that would set off warning bells about my coach's whole approach to the game -- blindly clinging to the customary and familiar and refusing to reexamine his own assumptions.

    It's a lot like the story of the researcher who published a paper showing that teams punt too often, and BB was the only coach who contacted him and requested more info on the research. So now you get to listen to announcers exclaiming on BB's "aggressive approach tonight" when he goes for it on 4th down...in the situations where it has been statistically demonstrated to be advantageous to go for it. What a daredevil. ;)
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    I love it.

    It gives you the potential to have two back to back offensive drives, what's not to love?

    BB teams usually get better as the game goes on anyways.
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    This is where both of you are not getting my point. Nothing has changed because if team A wins the coin toss and decides to defer for the second half what do you think team A would do? Let's say they kicked in the first half. Do you think they would want to kick again for the second half? No they are going to want the ball for the start of the second half. If team B lost the coin toss but was given the choice to kick/receive because team A chose to defer, what do you think they would do? They would have to receive the ball because team A will want the ball in the second half. No team will ever win the coin toss, defer and decide to kick in the second half. It's a stupid rule. A great way to simplify this is to ask winners of the coin toss whether you want the ball for the start of the game or the start of the second half. It's that simple.
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    This thread makes me want to stab myself in the eye. WTF is wrong with some of you?
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    Now that is just disturbing! I'm sorry but I'm glad someone brought this up because it's the most annoying rule change that is confusing most people.
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    But in the past they had no option to defer, and if they won the coin toss they had no way to choose to receive the 2nd half kickoff. Now they do.

    You do realize that in the past, if a team elected to kick, that had no effect on the second half? The other team would get the second half choice and would of course elect to receive. No, I don't think you knew this.
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    Perhaps the rule should be simplified as you suggest, but your claim that "nothing has changed" is just wrong. Something very significant has changed: under the old rules, the winner of the coin toss could not opt to receive the ball for the start of the second half. Now they can.
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    Fine, they rules have changed. ;) But the result is the same. Who ever kicks in the first half, will get the ball in the second half.

    Yes it did. Have you ever seen a team kick in the first and second half? Whoever kicked in the first half, got the ball in the second half.

    Here is my point, again. If team A wins the coin toss and decides to defer for the second half, team B will have to receive the ball for the start of the game or else team A will get the ball at the start of the first and second half. That is why I think nothing has changed. Whoever kicks in the first half will want the ball in the second half.

    Never has a rule change irritated me like this one because of the rant I stated above.
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    That's because whoever won the toss ALWAYS elected to receive, since electing to kick or choosing which end to defend would mean they would be certain to have to receive twice.

    That's exactly what the new rule fixes: the old choice was really no choice at all.
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    I swear I have seen teams in the past win the coin toss, elect to kick for the start of the half and get the ball back in the second half.
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    you would probably be wrong. In the old system, the loser of the toss got to choose in the 2nd half....why would they choose to kick?
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