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    I'm no shill for Peter King, but if you take ten minutes to read anything sports-related today, it ought to be his MMQB. Not only is there a great tribute to Junior Seau, but a long and really nice piece on Matt Light, including a segment that Matt wrote.

    In addition, you should click on the imbedded link in the piece to Dr. Sanjay Gupta describing what happens during a concussion. The train has clearly left the station in the NFL on mitigating the impact of head injuries on players. I think we're going to see a lot more players who have a lot to live for in their retirement follow the lead of Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman, who retired at 34 and 35 respectively, and not extend HOF careers "for the record book," but rather choose to step out of the game while they can still look ahead to a long, enjoyable and prosperous retirement.

    Junior Seau's death has fans looking differently at the player safety issue - Peter King - SI.com
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    3. I think everyone needs to read what Seau said to SI's Jim Trotter two months ago, when Trotter asked him about some of the new Goodellian rules aimed at taking some of the vicious hitting out of pro football. "It has to happen," Seau said. "Those who are saying the game is changing for the worse, well, they don't have a father who can't remember his name because of the game. I'm pretty sure if everybody had to wake with their dad not knowing his name, not knowing his kids' name, not being able to function at a normal rate after football, they would understand that the game needs to change. If it doesn't there are going to be more players, more great players, being affected by the things that we know of and aren't changing. That's not right."

    I'm going to flash this quote every time I see/hear some a-hole complain that it's turning into flag football.
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    Football would still be a great sport without the violent aspect. How you take it out of the game is a tough question, but I'm guessing that in 10-15 years, the league will be very, very different, but still very popular.
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    Here's my thing: players have gotten bigger, faster, stronger, and flat-out scarier. But what hasn't changed at all? The amount of punishment the human head can take. It's common sense ... or should be ... that new rules need to be in place.
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    ...Or get serious about removing PED's from the game. Maybe you guy's will call me a cynic, but I believe it's rampant. IMHO, the size and speed of players doesn't equate to nutrition and better training.
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    I'm not too hard on those who complain about the new rules. It takes a while for this kind of change to take root. It wasn't all that long ago that people would defend the tobacco companies' claims that nicotine isn't addictive and that smoking tobacco doesn't cause cancer.

    We're going through a period of awakening and adjustment now. People who have grown up with the idea that "getting your bell rung" is like a minor muscle strain need time to process what we're now just starting to understand.

    Put it this way. If I were a personal friend of Tom Brady, I'd probably ask him why he was thinking of playing past the end of this contract when he has an amazing life ahead of him full of wealth and multiple personal and professional paths that he might take, not to mention with a beautiful, accomplished woman by his side. We really don't know the impact of the hits he's taken, week after week, season after season, since he was in High School.

    And, BTW, most of those making the "flag football" comments have never played any more than Two Hand Touch themselves.
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    I don't recall Brady ever suffering from a concussion with the Patriots, although I could be wrong about that of course. Having a quick release, great pocket presence, and a good line in front of you seems like it may be even more of an advantage than first thought, both during and after the career. I worry more about guys like Rodgers and Roethlisberger, but in general I agree largely with your post. As we learn more, we have a responsibility to use that knowledge, and what we're learning is that head injuries are far more debilitating than we ever thought.

    It's easy to be a fan, since we--whatever our intentions are--pretty much forget about players the day they leave the field. As much as we'd like to protest that, how many people honestly spend time thinking about Ted Johnson's quality of life with any regularity? We don't, because we have a whole new group of healthy, undamaged Patriots who are taking the field every Sunday. But when you consider a guy like Wayne Chrebet, who is commonly pointed to as an example of a successful post-NFL guy even while stories like this one document how thoroughly his many concussions have impacted his life.
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    Good comments. I too don't recall specific stories about Tom Brady and concussion, but I think the sad truth is that we are just beginning to understand the relationship between head trauma and mental function in middle age and beyond. That's why I made my comment from the perspective of a "personal friend" of his. I think a friend would say something like, "Tom, look at all you've accomplished. I know you love the game and your teammates, but there's just too much we don't know and it's time to start looking towards the rest of your life."
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    Fair enough- I think that the more we learn, the more valid questions like that become. I also can't help but wonder what kind of impact this is going to have on hockey, boxing, MMA, etc. Football is the one that everyone's talking about, since it's the big moneymaker, but there are a lot of sports that are just as brutal as football, many even moreso.
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    The league has taken normal hits, not just extraordinarily dangerous hits, and made them illegal. The league has minimized the kickoff and there is now talk about eliminating it entirely. The league has made tackling the QB a matter of hitting a small bullseye and makes hitting that QB a split second after he releases the ball a borderline play which can draw a penalty and large fine.

    You can insult those who don't like that all you want, but they've got a point.
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    No, they would have a point if the said something reasonable like, "I disagree with Rule X because blahblahblah..." As soon as they make the flag football comments, I tune them out, because there's always going to be a lot of big hits in football. It makes me think they root for injuries, kind of like a lot of NASCAR fans think a race is boring if there isn't a big wreck.

    What normal hits have they made illegal? If they eliminate kickoffs ... which I doubt, but let's say if ... so what? There wasn't always a forward pass, either; I bet the purists hated that. And QBs should be protected, because they're the only players on the field who are a) looking away from the contact, and b) standing still while they're doing it.

    Those are all matters of opinion, but it all plays to my point that the amount of punishment that players can dish out has increased, whereas the amount of punishment they can take hasn't. Rules need to evolve to reflect that.
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    I think it harms the mental stability of players as well.
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    Every player currently in the league, and in coming rookies know the risk. Its simple IMO, if you don't accept the risk don't sign the contract. No one is forcing them to play.

    Retired players are a different conversation.
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    I'll give Peter the Queen of All Media a click as soon as she apologizes for blowing Cameragate way, way out of proportion the entire 2007 season, including SB week.
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    Let's just get rid of the protective gear altogether, then. We could boil it down to the hardest of the hardcore.
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    We just disagree. Sorry.
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    That's a pretty reasonable statement on a complex and difficult topic. Thank you.
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    There's really nothing to disagree about. What I said is pretty basic. They've clearly done what I pointed to.
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    You clearly have a ridiculous stance on this. The game is based on violent collisions, you can only take so much of that out of the game before it is no longer the same game. That is not debatable. They are getting close to that point. The focus needs to significantly shift to more technologically advanced head gear and early diagnosis.

    But none of that changes the fact that every player knows the risk, again no one forces them to play.
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    I'd argue that the game might actually be safer if the league sanctioned at least a significant downgrade in the "protective quality" of the gear the players wear. It's no surprise that the hits are more vicious now that the pads are a little smaller and more effective at protection, giving some guys a feeling that they'll be safe as they launch themselves into some hapless receiver or some such.

    It's going on in hockey, too. As the gear has gotten smaller, more effective, while the players are bigger and faster, the result has been more concussions. I'm not sure there is much any helmet can do to offset the g forces we're talking about here.
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    Hazy:

    Thanks for bringing this up. I made a new thread for you (and quoted this post). :)
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    That's a matter of interpretation. But, I really don't want to debate that and will, to save a long back-and-forth, concede whatever point it is you might be trying to make there because I think it's a red herring anyway.

    My point is broader: what is happening in the area of our understanding of head trauma represents a sea change, much like the change in public awareness on the dangers of smoking in the 1970's and 1980's.

    I don't know how we'll view different hits in the future; what might be considered legit or harmless by many today, including maybe even by you and me, will, without a doubt, in many cases be viewed differently in a few years, much as second hand smoke is now viewed differently than it was 30 years ago.

    I know that Goodell isn't taking these steps out of altruism; he's being sued and lawsuits have a way of focusing the attention. But I think, whatever his motive, he is doing the right thing and that it will be his legacy as Commissioner.

    Plus, anything that Bernard Pollard thinks is a bad idea, has to have merit! :singing:
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    I think this is a very complex issue and that every thoughtful view warrants attention, so I'm not going to dismiss that out of hand.

    Somewhere between Club Rugby with full contact, no helmets and few pads and "Full Body Armor" lies the right balance and I'll be the first to admit that it probably hasn't been reached yet.
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    Maybe that's why BB drafted Nate Ebner? :)
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    the fastest fix would be to take away the hard helmets. In this day of space age materials surely there is something that is much more protective and does not need the full on plastic topping that players are using as weapons.

    And I agree, the second step is banning all nutritional supplements. The "bigger, faster, stronger," mantra of training has come full circle and now detracts from the game.

    And I would also cast an eye to figuring out how to limit weight room activity. Of course eliminating all performance enhancers and supplements would help that quite a bit.
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    The other part of the article irked me too. Why the heck are the Vikings whining to the state about a stadium? Build your own damn stadium. I swear some of these NFL owners are dumb as a box of rocks. They need to give financial advice to these nfl owners even more than the players seem to need it.
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    +1 to everything in this post, well said.
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    Thanks. I think the calmer we can all be in discussing this, the better.

    I admit I get annoyed at the vehemence of the "flag football" critics, but I think I have to swallow that a bit and allow that these are folks who grew up with one way of looking at things, much as people smoked cigarettes because they really believed the tobacco companies' claims that nicotine was not addictive and tobacco not harmful. But, I have to admit, as much as I despise him, I'm more likely to listen to Bernard Pollard on this topic than I am to a Poster who's never laced 'em up and stepped between the lines in a full contact football game at any level, let along big time College or Professional.

    Change like this takes a long time to alter the context of discourse. Head Trauma is not limited to concussion. I think that everything has to be on the table.

    I think we have to be open to every kind of discussion, ranging from those who would argue that going back to leather helmets and limited padding and "letting them play the game the way it's meant to be played" is the way to go to those who would ban every hit on the Quarterback when he is in the pocket. Personally, I think each of those views is wrong, but I'm willing to listen to what their proponents think.
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    Of course ther are worse sports for head injuries. Furthermore we know what happens to many prize fighters, where the object of the exercise is to create a concussion, as that is the very definition of a "Knockout", not as in football an occasional byproduct of a play.

    The comedy skit of a Punch drunk fighter seeing pink elephants is almost a total cliche`. One of humorist Red Skelton's favorite characters was "Califlower McPug" the ex boxer.
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