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  1. PatriotsReign

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    Federal tax refunds are being given to illegal aliens for children who don't live in the United States.

    Illegal aliens are claiming tax deductions for their children...but the kicker is that the children their claiming don't live here!

    But hey, it's only around $4 billion annually, so no need to be concerned about it.

    #1. Illegal aliens should not be paying taxes in America because it's illegal to employ them.

    #2. No one (esp. Illegals) should be able to claim children on a federal US tax form if those children aren't US citizens.

    A big fat WTF.....

    "Not only are illegal aliens getting bigger tax refunds this year… They’re claiming the tax credit for kids who live in Mexico – lots of kids in Mexico.

    “We’ve seen sometimes 10 or 12 dependents, most times nieces and nephews, on these tax forms,” the whistleblower said. “The more you put on there, the more you get back.”


    Latest Scam: Illegal Aliens Getting Bigger Tax Refund Checks | The Gateway Pundit

    GOP targets child tax break for illegal immigrants - Yahoo! News
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    This is impossible. Can't be true. You, Yahoo and Gateway Pundit are making this up.
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    Jim Hoft and the naked basement boys strike again, and another little girls kitten dies for quoting this azz clown...

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    I thought I had heard this azz-clown's name before. Here's his take on the woman reporter who was sexually assaulted in Egypt during the Arab Spring:

    "Lara Logan is lucky she's alive.
    Her liberal belief system almost got her killed on Friday. This talented reporter will never be the same.

    Why did this attractive blonde female reporter wander into Tahrir Square last Friday? Why would she think this was a good idea? Did she not see the violence in the square the last three weeks? Did she not see the rock throwing? Did she miss the camels? Did her colleagues tell her about the Western journalists who were viciously assaulted on the Square? Did she forget about the taunts from the Egyptian thugs the day before? What was she thinking? Was it her political correctness that about got her killed? Did she think things would be different for her?"
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    The real WTF thing here is how or why illegal aliens are filing taxes and getting refunds...not to mention how or why we do anything about it. Getting near the time to admit that the US borders have little to do with anything in the real world. It's become almost and abstract concept.
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    Gee....does anyone want to comment upon the actual subject?

    Does anyone care that we're giving illegals tax-breaks for children we can't even confirm.

    BTW....Yahoo is a solid source. And I can add many more if you'd like.

    Otherwise, we'll assume you support this fraud....
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    Exactly...we need to address laws & policy and we need to do it now.
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    At this point, the cheapest, most realistic thing we can do is ignore the border and tell the Mexicans and Canadians to do the same in the spirit of NAFTA. Mexico can be the Las Vegas of the Western Hemisphers with legal drugs, hookers and casinos everywhere and Canada can be our dumps, oil fields and military bases and everyone will live in the middle. This is my new crusade!:rocker:
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    Man, you had a huge cup o' sarcasm this morning, didn't you?:p
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    First, how do they know where the kids live? You don't enter that on tax forms, do you? Second, we do want to encourage illegals to pay taxes as long as they are here, so how would we write a law that distinguishes between citizens and illegals who have children living abroad? What about illegals with children who are citizens? To me this mostly seems like another example of racism by the white party, nothing more.
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    #11 Jersey

    First you're upset because they (illegal aliens) don't pay taxes, now you're upset because they do pay taxes.......

    What's really upsetting is that illegal aliens may be causing the death of migratory birds in Peru since the thread starter seems to think there's some sort of common denominator between his anticipated retirement and the mass dying of brown pelicans.

    Perhaps the Peruvian pelicans are being used as dependents on the fax returns of illegal tax paying immigrants?
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    And what's REALLY ridiculous is that some get upset when the read about a topic like this....as if it's ok that tax refunds are given for children no one can confirm.....

    Nice "Topic-dodging" post MrsP...you're getting really, really good at them. You may even be the best at it!:rocker:
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    #11 Jersey

    I'm unsure how you feel they can not be confirmed since there is no way anyone can claim anyone without a social security number as a dependent.
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    Actually, they can....

    "The Internal Revenue Service says everyone who is employed in the United States – even those who are working here illegally – must report income and pay taxes. Of course, undocumented workers are not supposed to have a social security number. So for them to pay taxes, the IRS created what’s called an ITIN, an individual taxpayer identification number. A 9-digit ITIN number issued by the IRS provides both resident and nonresident aliens with a unique identification number that allows them to file tax returns."

    Where's you typical level of research on this topic MrsP?

    The kicker is, even if their children in Mexico could be confirmed, they're still not tax-deductible if they don't live in the US.
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    #11 Jersey

    "Resident and nonresident aliens" does not include illegal aliens. Being either of those things does not mean you are here illegally, PR. It's your status as a legal alien. Illegal aliens can't get an ITIN because they do not have the status documents necessary to obtain one. In other words, your source is playing with words and truth - "undocumented workers" do not get ITINs.

    http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=222209,00.html

    And the children of such people would not get an "individual taxpayer identification number," now, would they? They would require their own social security number - just like everyone else who gets declared as a dependent on someone's tax form.

    And I don't believe that someone must reside in the USA to be considered a dependent of a US tax payer - what about students who are studying overseas? Do not their parents get to claim them as dependents if they are, in fact, supporting them? Or a child of divorced parents where the mother lives in France with the children but the father pays over 50% of their support and thus is entitled to the deduction? Most divorce decrees state, very plainly, what parent gets the dependent deduction come income tax time - and it's often not the custodial parent.
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    And the children of such people would not get an "individual taxpayer identification number," now, would they? They would require their own social security number - just like everyone else who gets declared as a dependent on someone's tax form.

    And I don't believe that someone must reside in the USA to be considered a dependent of a US tax payer - what about students who are studying overseas? Do not their parents get to claim them as dependents if they are, in fact, supporting them? Or a child of divorced parents where the mother lives in France with the children but the father pays over 50% of their support and thus is entitled to the deduction? Most divorce decrees state, very plainly, what parent gets the dependent deduction come income tax time - and it's often not the custodial parent.[/QUOTE]

    But the fact is, our gov't is giving tax deductions for children no one can confirm even exist
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    Your dealing with Liberals, they are blind to "reality"
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    #11 Jersey

    Ok....now that we've established that your other "facts" were wrong, let's tackle this one.

    How can they be "uncomfirmable" when, in fact, all the government has to do is run a check of the social security number to find out if the children are who the parents say they are?

    If the government is not doing this - that's one thing - but it's not because they can't - they can. Just like they can check the validity of anyone you or I claim as a dependent, too.

    Can't ever and doesn't always are two different things, PR. Perhaps the tax people don't always check the validity of every social security number on every income tax return - but that doesn't mean they can't do it - or that they don't do it some of the time.
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    #11 Jersey

    Upon further research - it is entirely within the law to claim as a deduction any child, stepchild, nephew or niece for whom you paid over 50% of their support for those dependents who live in either Canada or Mexico due to the fact that many people live close to the borders and work in one country while their families reside in the other place.

    A ?Qualifying Child?

    ** I assume that since a worker who has an ITIN number is only here on a work visa this part applies since work visas are not forever and/or the parents who are claiming the deduction are divorced or separated since they are obviously living here and their children are living in Mexico or Canada with their other parent - that surely qualifies as "separated."

    And there's your research.
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    What's outrageous is that patsfans has built-in spell-checking, and you still misspelled it "outragious" in your thread title.

    The actual topic of the thread? Not outrageous, just can be made to look it if you're simple-minded or gullible enough.

    Stop looking for someone to blame. Our big problem in this country is that we don't pay what we spend. It's not caused by border agreements that allow you to work in Texas and have a kid in Mexico.

    And for the record, this thread is about as valid in making its purported "point" as it would be for me to say George Zimmerman's Peruvian mother killed all the pelicans.

    PFnV

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