Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by DisgruntledTunaFan, Apr 19, 2010.
They Are Lying to You About the Oklahoma City Bombing by Scott Horton -- Antiwar.com
Lying is why we elect them.
If they stopped lying we would not know who to vote for.
We vote for who lies the best.
AS FTW pointed out yesterday, McVeigh was executed within six years of the blast.. a world record for the death penalty... dead men tell no lies.
Didn't he refuse all appeals he had coming to him?
FWIW not sure of the below captinoed source, he was initially turned down.. without regard this was a very quick execution.. found guilty in June of 1997.. executed in June 2001..
The Timothy McVeigh Story: The Oklahoma Bomber - Crime Library on truTV.com
FYI here is a case synopsis of a kid I knew professionally from days gone past.. to carry out a death penalty sentence, is a rigorous process... even in Florida, I suspect the same tenacity if done in the federal system as well..
Here are the Federal Procedures...
Presidents usually know the answers to all these cover ups and killings, president Obama is a wonderful kind and caring liberal left wing democrat and we know that they must be horrified at the thought that anybody in Washington would lie about such things, president Beautiful Obama should come forward and tell us the truth, he should also tell us about who really caused 9/11 and who really planted explosives in the World Trade Center to make them collapse, the planes couldn't have caused those buildings to come down, Wille Nelson said so.
Only the first link is relevant to the discussion about McVeigh and doesn't explain WHY he was speedily executed...these two links do:
CNN.com - Roger Cossack on McVeigh request to end death penalty appeals - December 28, 2000
CNN.com - Judge says McVeigh can drop appeals - December 28, 2000
He himself ordered his appeals stopped and asked for the date to be set. He had months to stop the execution before the date especially after they found "missing" evidence that got a one month delay- he had ample appeal grounds, he had ample reasoning to keep fighting, he had ample reasoning to shove it to the federal government for years to come yet he chose to drop it all.
He wanted to become a martyr. No other explanation except that he wanted to become a martyr
Suicide by judicial system.
There you go, rolling eyes and all, proof positive a definitive answer to a very complicated situation.. cannot argue with your facts.
The sources I captioned show the complexities involved with executing the death penalty... not relevant to those find answers on CNN, but to those who search the truth there are some valid points raised.. it also displays federal procedures, that are often to safeguard the rights the person to be executed...
Once again, dead men tell no lies...
He also chose to send a letter to FOXNews detailing why he did it. If you detail the why you pretty much admit you did it.
I don't think he ever denied it in the first place, did he? Didn't he want his lawyers to defend him using the premise that it was a "necessary" action for him to have taken?
FOXNews.com - McVeigh's Apr. 26 Letter to Fox News - U.S. & World
He wanted that defense, they chose not to use it.
The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Trial of Timothy J. McVeigh: An Account
Denial of doing the bombings doesn't matter if there were still grounds to appeal his case especially after documents were uncovered that weren't available during his trial...he still had appeals that he could have made, he hadn't used up the normal appeals even before the new grounds for appeals came out after he chose to end it.
Not relevant to this case Darryl, not when he chose to end his appeals that are the basis for the lengthy times between conviction and execution.
Dead men tell no lies and they tell no tales...but this isn't that case- he was trying to become a martyr.
We're probably on the same page here, Elfin. He did it and he wanted the world to know what he'd done and he was willing to die to make it known.
That would pretty much make him a wannabe martyr.
Difficut as it may seem to believe, I think we're agreeing.
Federal procedures in capital death cases are not relevant???
6 years may be fast for state executions -- but is it fast for Federal?
Regardless, 6 years isn't very fast if you really think there was some sort of government conspiracy going on. If there were some sort of cover-up, I would think he would have had an "accident" or been killed at the hands of a supposed fellow inmate much more quickly than 6 years in.
That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard...
I believe it is fast for everyone.. in prison high profile prisoners are kept pretty much in segregation... prisons pride themselves on this type of thing, as if they do not it brings mucho heat.
There is a report here, but it is difficult to find the specific information..
They're kept that way when they're being kept safe.
If there were a government conspiracy, an accident or security lapse or "suicide" would occur.
It's slow for overall federal death penalties(up to three months post conviction in past) but fast for post-1976 SCOTUS ruling federal death penalty cases...the automatic appeals set by laws and rulings have extended the time between sentencing and execution.
As comparison to McVeigh the other two recent federal executions:
Juan Raul Garza was convicted in in August of 1993 and was supposed to be executed in December of 2000(delayed by Clinton due to change of Presidency)- a span of about seven years and four months between sentencing and scheduled execution. His execution was delayed due to the change of Presidents, he was executed in June 2001 after McVeigh.
Louis Jones, Jr. was convicted in November 1995 and executed on March 2003- a span of seven years and five months.
Based on these two other executions if/when his appeals had all been denied to both the SCOTUS and the President with his conviction in June of 1997 his death would have been scheduled for about October or November of 2004(roughly the seven years, four or five months later).
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