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There is NO pre-tribulation "rapture"

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  1. DisgruntledTunaFan

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    Tim LaHaye, John Hagee, Hal Lindsey, Chuck Missler, and other pre-tribulation rapture bible scholar "elites" have made you think otherwise...but let's look at the scriptures...

    The pre-trib "scholars" mentioned above try to "prove" the rapture with this passage...

    2nd Thessalonians 4:15-18(The Coming of the Lord)
    However...

    Revelation 20(talking about right before the 1000 years)
    Revelation 20:11-13(The Judgement at the Great White Throne)
    These passages ALL but disprove that 2nd The 4:15-18 is talking about "pre-trib rapture" - the PART of the FIRST resurrection is the dead in Christ that comes BEFORE the 1000 Christ-lead 1000 years. The so-called second resurrection will be those in Hell who will be casted into the Lake of Fire after their Judgement at the Great White Throne 1000 years LATER.

    So WHEN specifically before the 1000 year reign and the end of the tribulation when the dead in Christ and the alive remaining get "raptured"?

    Revelation 7:13-14(White-Robed Multitude)
    And when is the "great tribulation"?

    Matthew 24:15-22
    The abomination of the desolation is the 1/2 way point when the Antichrist breaks his 7 year peace covenant, halts all daily sacrifice allowed to the Jews, and sets up the abomination of the desolation on the Temple. So obviously, the great tribulation is sometime AFTER the 1/2 way point.

    So having RE-EVALUATING 2nd The 4:15-18, this so-called "rapture" happens at Jesus' SECOND COMING - the dead in Christ rise first, and the alive remaining will be caught up with them in the clouds.

    BTW - believe it or not, the entire end times will last ONLY 1335 days...

    Daniel 12:11-12
    Perhaps this "great tribulation" is only 45 days? 1335(Jesus' 2nd Coming) - 1290(AC breaks covenant and sets up the abomination that makes desolate) = 45.
     
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    A great tribulation *is* coming. The world is going to dramatically change. Those who live for the sake of others will rise up, while those who live only for their own selfish desires will sink down.

    Time to get our own houses in order, our own lives in order.

    The universe does not abide evil and will spit it out when it's had enough.


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    Ooh, I better go get my lottery ticket! :rolleyes:
     
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    Why?? That's the *least* of your problems.


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    I got my sh!t in order. I'm ready!BRING IT ON!
     
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    No need to shout!! It's coming!

    (Might want to be careful what you wish for, though. )


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    Why? It's either coming or it isn't. Which is it?....:confused:
     
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    On the way. Signed, sealed, and delivered. COD, though. You got enough???


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    All set!
    How bout you?
     
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    Really??!!


    Working on it. Still got a few loose ends to tie up. Thanks for asking.


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    No where i the bible does it actually talk about a "Rapture" that was someones interpritaiton which started in the mid eighteen hundreds
     
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    But somehow, even fundamentalists got hooked, lined, and sinkered by this doctrine. From what I understand, the Vatican has been perverting scripture since the 1300s, and one of the things they made up was this "rapture".

    Here's another example completely debunking it...

    Now compare this to...

    The pre-tribbers pretty much use that 1st Corinthians passage above to prove their pre-trib rapture points, however - they FORGET to see the word LAST(in terms of the last trumpet being blown).

    Also - from what I noticed with the pre-trib crowd, they have this mentality that we have to do everything to support, even blindly follow Israel at all costs, b/c supposedly b/c the church will be gone, God will be focusing their attention on them more than anything else, so we have to make sure their land is kept TO them and NOT shared.(and they end up using alot of OT passages to prove their points)

    I mean the Israel government has been VERY corrupt(from what I heard too, the US has let their officials to run surveillance on OUR soil since 9/11) - but en yet, every time you hear a John Hagee, Hal Lindsey, Pat Robertson, et al telecast, they're just yelling at you to support Israel b/c they can do nothing wrong. Israel and the Jewish people are God's chosen people, but people don't realize that b/c of this, God holds them to HIGHER STANDARDS. Jesus and the Apostles just fervently witnessed the gospel to them, and even scolded them when they didn't want to listen.
     
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    Is it here yet? :eek:
     
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    No, it's already over, and it actually lasted for 8 years. :D
     
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    People who think that there is a pre-wrath rapture believe something called organized religion.

    Bravo on the good post dude!

    +1!
     
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    The beginning of the end I think has started on the day of 9-11 actually.

    Just my opin.

    There were other days that were very bad as well...
     
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    So this isn't about the Blondie song?

    Screw it I'm outta here.
     
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    What the pre-trib crowd, as well as most others, don't realize that it's not just our government et al being polluted, but our churches as well have become polluted with false men-made doctrines(i.e. prosperty, once saved always saved, ignoring fire and brimstone/end times prophecies, etc), putting men above Jesus Christ(i.e. alot of churches blindly following Bush/Cheney, despite all their globalist agendas that's brought us a big step closer to a One World Government), and, of course, all those 501c3 churches that have been put under government control, pretty much(and they'll likely be part of this Clergy Response Team when a crisis breaks out, and Martial Law is declared).

    Didn't Jesus and the Apostles stress how, "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump"? It happened alot in the Old Testemant passages, in particular - when temples were bringing in false idols, doctrines, et al, that was when God's wrath was brought down on them. Also - all of the OT/NT saints went through alot of tribulations and persecutions(i.e. Peter was martyred, Moses was in the wilderness for 40 years, etc).

    And now these people think they can just sit back, wait for that next flight to paradise, so they can go ahead and shirk their responsibilities? They're going to be in for a big surprise.
     
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    Yep - as much as I hate to say it, 9/11 was the catalyst to all of these globalist agendas being implemented(i.e. wiping out the ME as much as possible to monopolize their oil, the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping by our government, wanting to track people more closely ala this RFID chip buzz we're hearing, etc) - if anything, it brought us a big step closer to getting this One World Government implemented.

    BTW - the likes of John Hagee and Pat Robertson are just SCREAMING for that 3rd Temple to get built in Israel.
     

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