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    looks like theo is gone. he did a great job in the early years but since 07 not so much. i for one hope they hire a more traditional gm. someone with a lot of exp. like brian cashman[wishful thinking on my part]. i bet it will be ben cherrington:(.
    Theo Epstein on brink of joining Cubs - BostonHerald.com
     
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    Agreed. Great early on then since 2007 he's been less than stellar, especially through free agency.

    I'd like a GM-Manager combination that is going to place a premium on developing an A Grade pitching outfit and farm system with the Red Sox.
     
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    Ben Cherrington is more than qualified to be GM. I look forward to him taking over
     
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    really? based on what?
     
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    he has been shadowing Theo for years...and pulled the strings on the Beckett/Lowell trade in Theo's absence. He has the resume

    actually, my number one choice would be JP Riccardi
     
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    cherington has been with the sox even before theo. others that have worked with theo have gone on to gm jobs and other jobs in baseball. yet cherington has not. that says to me hes not the man for the job. i dont know where you get the idea cherington pulled the strings on the becket trade. he didnt have the gm duties while theo was gone. he worked with the redsox but that doesnt mean he made that trade. actually the guy who made it and his name escapes me was a old timer. hes since died. maybe someone can help with the name but cherington didnt make that trade. i like your idea on jp.
     
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    Bring back Duquette, the man who created the WS teams of 2004-2007. :D
     
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    He served briefly as Co-General Manager of the team with Jed Hoyer during Theo Epstein's absence from the team. During that time, they made the deal for Beckett and Lowell. The fact that he did not move onto other jobs was, IMO, he was the most trusted confidant of Theo and too valueable to let go.
     
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    lol thats some really good spin. if hes hired he will be nothing but a yes man for ownership. the guy never got a sniff at another job because nobody wanted him. he had nothing to do with the beckett trade. bill lajoie made the becket deal.
     
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    you are wrong and we disagree. lets move on
     
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    i am not wrong but i will move on.
     
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    Duquette never got the credit he deserved for being a reasonably decent GM. People over-obsess on the Clemens things and he just wasn't media friendly.

    I wasn't disappointed to see him go, but he wasn't the abysmal failure so many tried to make him out to be.
     
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    no doubt one of the best GMs we have had...and he was correct about Clemens. The Rocket WAS in the twighlight of his career, then he took steriods and fixed the problem.
     
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    theo let success get to his head and got a little spend crazy. he made a series unwise moves that eventually caught up to the red sox. im still not sure how the red sox will recover from lackey/crawford deals and the sox still don't have a starting quality SS. How long have we sought to fill that hole and failed??
     
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    Jury is still out on Crawford.

    But what should the Sox have done differently each offseason, instead of those 2 deals? And what should they have done up until now to address SS?

    The problem wasn't the spending -- it's that Lackey fell apart and Crawford had a bad year.
     
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    Spending poorly and committing to contracts is worse than not spending at all.
     
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    Only if (i) it's your $ or (ii) it hinders future moves. It's not my $, and presumably not yours. :) I don't know of any moves that either signing seems to have prevented.

    So I guess I'll ask you the same question: what should the Sox have done differently each offseason, instead of those 2 deals? And what should they have done up until now to address SS?
     
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    We've covered this topic at length chico (and you know that).
     
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    As Steve Stone said, if you dont make any bad moves and bad contracts as a GM your not making ANY moves.
     

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