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  1. frankiesfly

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    The new england patriots have the worst crowd in the nfl. What library were we playing in this week. Maybe if we had some spark, maybe our team would. I love john madden for making it a point at least 5 times during the game. It is so true, its pathetic
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    we know how to get loud..but we never stay like it..unless were playing a pefect game...were gonna need crowd to cheer even in the down moments. cant let up
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    It's trolls like you that make this statement true.
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    Oh snap!

    I have thought before that perhaps our typical crowd (the people at the Razor) has gotten a little spoiled after the Superbowls; it doesn't seem to take much to quiet them down, just a bad play or two. That's just what I see on TV realtive to other stadiums though, who knows.
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    It's several different things causing this: Past success, stadium layout, the corporate folk occupying a large share of seats, among other things. We might as well get used to it, instead of starting a new thread about this same topic every single week.
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    Oh snap???? What the heck is that?

    So the fans become spoiled, they quiet easy, and it seems quiet on tv means that Pats fans are the worst in the league. Yes I see the logic. my bad.
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    It means you got him good!

    And don't be silly, I certainly didn't say we have 'the worst fans in the league'. I just said it seems awful easy to quiet the faithful at Gillette. I've never been to a game, I live a jillion miles away, feel free to enlighten me if you're in a position to do so. Sarcasm helps no one.
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    It's stadium design, pure and simple.
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    I know you didn't say we are the worst, but the troll did and your comment sided with the troll. Just don't criticise the fanbase at the razor when some of us are screaming our heads off for 60 full minutes, but the TV and the stadium doesn't help one bit. The Razor lets all the noise fly straight out and not onto the field. Sarcasm always helps somebody lol.
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    Take the design of the stadium into consideration - then realize that our crowd is damn noisy, intelligent and faithful.

    The majority has been there for about 10 years now and a large minority (like me) has been going to Pats games since the beginning. I have seen them play at every stadium and followed every up and down.

    I have no problem with our crowd, when it really counts, they more than make up for the "quiet" design.

    It can and does get VERY loud in there - but to keep it that way throughout a game would not be possible. We would have to literally yell our brains out to accomplish that.

    We have a lot to be concerned with right now, Patriot fanaticism is not one.
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    Uh puleeeeeze. I atttended this weeks Rams-Chiefs game in St. Louis and there were about 10,000 Chiefs fans in attendance in St. Louis b/c it's about a 4 hour drive. You would have thought that you were at Arrowhead because they were so loud and the Rams fans so quiet. Couple that with a quick 17-0 Chiefs (ex-Pat Damon Huard ran a pretty efficient offense mixing up the run and pass while Marc Bulger kept throwing at some guy wearing #24 for the Chiefs) and it got loud and I mena loud in the dome for the visitors.......
    Just my $0.02,
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    Cuz John Madden said so is not a very good barometer, he still does not understand why Brady gets that parking spot, it seemed every time he commented about the noise was after a big Indy play. During the actual play the crowd noise was ok. I also agree with the stadium design thing.
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    If he is a troll, I tend to agree with him.
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    I agree, the fans have become pretty lame there. I was yelled at to sit down 3 times on Sunday night. This was while the Colts were in the red zone!!!!!!!
    Can somebody explain that to me? Why do you go to the game if you are just going to be quiet and sit on your ass and complain about th cold? I doubt that happens in KC, Pitt, Cleveland, etc....
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    My bad, I apologize. I was stuck in Roanoke, VA over the weekend for business and couldn't make it to the game. It is good to know that my presence was missed. Talk about the butterfly effect! ;)

    The crowd will never be able to overcome the (poor) acoustical aspects of the stadium on a sustained basis. But they/we are an easy target because of the lack of perceived noise and the intricacies of engineering for sound just doesn't cross most peoples' minds.
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    This is the problem, not the design. Its the corporate fans. Theyre located throughout, not just the Club Seats and luxury boxes. They have no idea what to do at a game. Tennessee has the exact same design and it works for them. Pitt is similar and its one of the loudest.

    Krafty priced the real fan out, and it shows...right Quiggy?
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    I don't know what section DividedSky was in, but in 227 where I was, everyone was up and yelling when Indy was in the red zone. All he has to do is tell those behind him to stuff it if he wants to stand and yell WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO, which is when the other team has the ball. I have to think that the fans he's referring to are in a very small minority. I maintain that it definitely IS stadium design that has mitigated crowd noise, and spell it out in detail in another thread posted today. Check it out.
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    dont blame the crowd its the footballthat makes the crowd
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    I am at every game and this happens every single time, I am always asked to sit down.
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    Tunescribe....you know me and you know my drunk ***** will yell all night. But I've been in my nosebleeds for 3 years now and it has been relatively silent those 3 years. I don't buy into this "red seat" silence thing that everyone is saying. In my eyes, it is a matter of complacency. I've been to a game in Seattle vs. a division rival (the 49ers) and Seattle's fans were on their feet and yelling the entire game. This doesn't happen here. We've developed a sense of entitlement much like Yankees fans have. Normally, any Colts game, you can expect everyone to be yelling our a$$e$ off. Not this past game. It took a Sprint commercial to make us start yelling. Gillette Stadium is horrible as far as crowd noise goes and it's all about the people in the seats and not the acoustics of the stadium.
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    As a long time season ticket holder I like crowd noise as much as the next guy, and have been frustrated by the crowd at times. I think it's blend of my things the corporate factor is one as well as complacency I see many diff faces frome game to game in the lower level seats. The crowd has changed from the old stadium to the new one no doubt in my mind, but the idea that if the crowd had a spark mybe the team would as well thats just silly, its a minor miracle the pats win any road games.
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    I think that if a fan feels separated from the action he/she is less motivated to get involved. That would seem to explain the people in my section standing up and yelling when Indy had the ball and folks in the nosebleeds sitting on their hands. You have to admit that the nosebleeds in places like Giants Stadium are much closer to the field than at Gillette. Below is my post from the other thread re., Gillette's acoustics and the stands' proximity to the field. Fan attitude might be a minor factor, but I think it has much more to do with the building.


    I'm a Patriots season ticket holder of 13 years and have been to other NFL stadiums where it gets so loud you have to cover your ears. I can say unequivocally that Gillette, unfortunately, was NOT PROPERLY DESIGNED to contain crowd noise. This was a fundamental oversight by the Krafts when they built the place. Fans in the 300 level are essentially taken out of the game because they're so far from the field and separated from the second deck by two levels of luxury suites/club seating. For them it's like shouting into a void. Add the open-ended north end zone, the open-view concourses and "skylight" areas between the red club seating and the 200-level mezzanine, and you have a unique situation where noise "evaporates." Also, there is no second tier above the end zones to help hold sound in. You have a HUGE gulf between 100-level sideline seats and the 300-level sideline seats WHEN THE RED CLUB SEATS ARE NOT FILLED, which often occurs especially during cold-weather games and the second half of most games. So, most of the sound must come from the lower bowl and the mezzanine corners. I'd say that's rouughly about 60-65 percent stadium capacity. It's a pretty building designed for multiple uses and -- let's face it -- a seriously flawed football stadium. My biggest gripe is the design accommodation for soccer, which resulted in too much space between the football field and the stands.

    OK, so what can be done about this? Well, with a 50,000-person waiting list, perhaps the Krafts can make a bold move and fill in some of the "gaps" by adding more seats, especially in the north end zone and the unnecessary skylight gaps. Perhaps they also can do something about motivating club seat people to actually sit in their seats and watch the freakin' game. Beyond that, I don't know what else is possible. Barring some sort of radical reconstruction option that would relocate the luxury suites, those in the 300 level will forever feel marooned in the stratosphere and separated from the rest of the action. THAT is the largest component of missing crowd noise.

    From the start, I was a proponent of PSLs, which ultimately would have kept ticket prices down after the initial PSL fee outlay. This would have given PSL holders a valuable asset that appreciates over time, better than money in the bank. It also would have allowed them to re-sell their tickets anytime to anyone, and possibly would have enabled some of the more passionate fans of lesser means to attend games.
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    The Patriots fans have lost "it." Pure and simple. Hopefully the Pats will make the playoff's and things will change....but I've been to plenty of games the past two years. Fans are "different," or is that "indifferent?" They sit on their hands all day and just talk amongst themselves. I can't stand it. A big defensive stand comes up - I'm pleading with people to stand - most do not. Most are idiots. It makes me pretty sick, actually. Complacent? Maybe? Spoiled? Probably. This was NOT an issue in 2001 (old stadium), nor was it a real issue in 2002 or 2003. The last three years it's become a REAL issue.

    People say I'm nuts when I say I miss that old aluminum junkbox, Foxboro Stadium, but I really do. It was loud and proud. Gillette? Not so much.
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    Amen, Garb. I'm with you on that. Those aluminum benches we good for making noise on, too. Not only that, but in the cold months with an extra layer of clothes on I've got to wedge myself in the new seats and need to remove my cell phone to do it. Sure it was a dump, but I never minded it and do miss the atmosphere, such that it was.
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    Yup because the team would never need a boost from the crowd. I got it the crowd needs the boost from the team.

    If that excuse makes you feel better, more power to you.
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    I dont think the stadium design has anything to do with the crowd noise. I agreed with most of the replys, but the stadium design to me has nothng to do with it. To watch colvin and other patriots players waving there arms in the air to get the crowd up, and the fans to sit there and do nothing to me is embarrising. In other stadiums if a player is waving his arms in the air for noise, the crowd goes crazy, and thats why i made the "spark" coment.
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    If you believe stadium design has nothing to do with crowd noise, you're either too drunk to notice or have never been to another stadium.
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    Tune is dead on right about the stadium design.
    * Energetic 3rd tier too far away and 'blocked' by the red seats
    * Red seat corporate crowd MIA during bad weather
    * Open ended stadium lets noise out rather than reflecting the energy
    * My personal observation from the 100s: too many corporate suckup visitors of the day occupying seats. These folks feel it unseemly to shout.

    Me, I'll be sitting in section 110 row 1, right behind the Pats D during the Jets game
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    Yeah - I miss those old days of Foxboro Stadium, why that 12th man was so freaking awesome we always won and look at all those Championship banners from way back in our old noisy stadium. And all those games that were sold out too. Yeah, it was swell back then.

    Please......in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. I'll take Gillette and my seats in sec 134 anyday.

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