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    best essay i've read in months...

    The World Agrees: Stop Him

    By Robert Scheer
    Truthdig.com

    Tuesday 23 January 2007

    Stop him before he kills again. That is the judgment of the American people, and indeed of the entire world, as to the performance of our president, and no State of the Union address can erase that dismal verdict.

    President Bush has accomplished what Osama bin Laden only dreamed of by disgracing the model of American democracy in the eyes of the world. According to an exhaustive BBC poll, nearly three-quarters of those polled in 25 countries oppose the Bush policy on Iraq, and more than two-thirds believe the U.S. presence in the Middle East destabilizes the region.

    In other words, the almost universal support the United States enjoyed after the 9/11 terrorist attacks has been completely squandered, as a majority of the world's people now believe that our role in the entire world is negative.

    "The thing that comes up repeatedly is not just anger about Iraq," said Steven Kull, the director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, which helped conduct the global poll. "The common theme is hypocrisy. The reaction tends to be: 'You were a champion of a certain set of rules. Now you are breaking your own rules, so you are being hypocritical.' "

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    In fact, it seems as if everyone gets it except the president and those still hunkered down with him in the White House. "They've backed themselves into a tough corner," GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio told the Post, "and the problem is his continued insistence for the troop increase, which flies in the face of what 70 percent of Americans want."

    He added that it makes Bush seem to say, "I'll listen to you, but I'll do what I want anyway." Hardly the message that the leader of the world's greatest experiment in representative democracy should be sending to the world. It is a message voters in the midterm election soundly rejected, along with the association of this great country with torture and chicanery, and it is the basis of what the Post calls a mainstream America "honeymoon" with the Democrats.

    Americans understand in their gut that the long-term consequences of disillusionment with democracy, here and abroad, would be disastrous. In the same way Congress repudiated an out-of-control president three decades ago, the House and Senate must show the world today that our celebrated system of checks and balances is not just a fanciful mirage.
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    Massachusetts Governor (D) Needs Worms For Worm Study Send Your Worms To,
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    Fragile This End Up
    Contains WORMS.
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    what does this even mean?
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    It means the new Governor is going to Tax the people to pay for his "Worm Study"

    He wants Worms studied, it is important to world peace and also will increase the length of time that a male human being can sustain an Erection, if Patrick Devals studies are successful it will change the way the world views us, Koffi Annan hailed it as one of the Great moments of this century, even Al Gore agrees with it, Gore said it may even benefit the Environment.

    This could turn into quite an Issue during the 2008 elections, God willing.
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    It's not a bad idea, we've developed lots of medicines from studying animals.
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    Harry? again..bravo for staying on topic, and providing insight.

    Now.

    How crazy is this? It was only 5 years ago that we all knew what it was to be an American. The WORLD was on our side.

    now we find our beloved country as the biggest hypocrites on Earth.

    All of this however is not a mistake. The plan for global dominance and conquest of the middle east through division followed by civil war followed by oil profits is exactly the path our leaders have chosen. The fact that they ignore EVERY person or committee or General that tells them they are wrong says a lot about the end goal.

    bottom line.

    The Bush Org. DOESN'T CARE, and that is a shame. They only want to make themselfs rich and comfy in the present life. Because if there is a god...they all know where they are going.
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    #24 Jersey

    People take this crap way too far. Even if you stipulate that the Iraq war was a mistake - heck even if Bush lied to go to war - it's not for global dominance, or oil profits or anything like that. It's because the middle east freaks are going to blow up that entire part of the world in the next decade.

    Most of us don't like the plan of action that was taken. Fine. Say that we made a mistake, even that we're ignorant. But at least our heads aren't buried in the sand. The middle east is a problem - Iran and N. Korea getting close to nukes is a problem. And it's a real problem, not some theoretical thing.

    Bush is doing the right thing in TRYING to put this crap out of business. He's just going about it the wrong way.
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    I would be absolutely shocked if making Haliburton richer wasn't part of the plan. I'm sure they justify it to themselves by saying they're infusing money into the economy, but there are personal financial gains to be had for people in his administration and they know it.
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    #24 Jersey

    Additionally I don't care what the world thinks. If we took a global vote on whether the U.S. should annihilate itself by unleashing all it's nukes on itself, the world would probably vote for us to do it.
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    you don't care about the world? this is excellent...

    because then, when a liberal pushes for isolationism, and closing our borders, and battoning down the hatches, Cons will say "you can't isolate yourself from the world, stupid. this is a global economy."... so, in other words, you don't care about the world and world opinion, but you wanna keep the shop open for their money... interesting...
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    i'm sorry... we just won't be buying that.... in geopolitics, as a "beacon of freedom and virtue", you don't lie in order to "do the right thing"....

    this was a "pre-emptive" strike based on fraud... you wanna send a message to radical muslim fundamentalism? fine, you capture Bin Laden when you had him cornered, you put him on trial, and you hang him at Ground Zero... you don't deflect and pretend Iraq was an imminent threat, even though sanctions and inspections had them in check for 12 years...
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    Get Bush--Get Bush
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    #24 Jersey

    Fine, that still doesn't stop the problem. Pre-emptive bombing of Iran's developing nuclear sites; now we're talking about helping the world.
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    ok... i'll buy that... if it's proven beyond a doubt that Iran has them, and intends to use them, and all intelligence branches show no dissent on the subsequent report.... see? this isn't so difficult to find unity in the American spirit to fight.... just don't lie to us
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    agreed.....100%

    If they bomb and are wrong AGAIN....who will be held responsible?
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    Holy Diver, "Five years ago the world loved us."?
    Which alternate universe was that?

    Harry boy- You just keep posting. Never Stop.
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    #24 Jersey

    This is a big picture topic not a small picture one. I don't like Americans being killed over there any more than NEM or anyone else. I would have gone into Iraq to ensure they had no WMD and then left - what happened after we left I wasn't particularly interested in. And I would do the same in Iran and N. Korea. If that means dozens of bunker busters into their underground nuke sites, so be it.

    But the big picture issue of "should we be trying to stop the freaks over there before they start lobbing nukes around", the answer is yes. You can answer yes, and tell "the world" to shove it with their opinion, without defending what's going on in Iraq.

    It's basically the Kerry/Hillary arguement for their YES vote - they they approved the concept of going in but disapprove of how it's been done.
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    If they are then they're doing a sh!tty job with that to, cuz Hali's profits are down 40%. :D
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    From when, surely not from before the war started. What the hell have they been doing with the increased sales from their huge Iraq contract? Is it creative accounting and money is going to subsidiaries? C'monn, even I could turn a profit with the contract they have from the Feds, how could their profits be down (other than from maybe 04 or 05, when we were REALLY going hog-wild in Iraq).
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    If you libbers are crying for us to be more isolationist, why are so many of you SCREAMING for Bush to intervene in Darfur?

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