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  1. DarrylS

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    Nothing to see here folks, but to push through an agenda is one thing.. but not to allow everyone to vote is quite another, shame on the Wisconsin Asssembly..

    Of course Fox News and the rest of the right wing sites are all saying that the Democrats were asleep at the wheel, and tired from the log debate and somehow missed the opportunity to vote.. 28 Assembly men and women were all asleep???? This WTF moment brought to you by the Koch Industries, now everyone drop you drawers and grab your ankles.. the Koch Boys are coming on through.

    To deny the votes of the assembly, is the denial of democracy...

    WI Assembly GOP Passes Walker Budget In Surprise Vote -- Dems Chant "Shame!" | TPMDC

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    Boy this is the kind of constitutional outrage that'll have that tea party up in... what's that you say? Not a peep? Bought and paid for?

    Quelle Surprise.
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    Let's see the dem senator leave the state, the legislature introduced aover 100 amendments for the purpose of avoid a vote there was 61 hrs of debate, and a majority voted for the budget.


    Good glad to see the dems upset.

    I hope the Wi Senate gets the message and passes things that don't require the dems to show up like the right to work legislation.
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    New word coined today, "Wisconsined" meaning when we want to pass something in a legislature do not let the opposition vote..

    Wow imagine if there were a group of people who wanted to uphold the constitution and wanted to insure that things were done according to that document and they bound together..

    Oh wait a minute, there is such a group called the "Tea Party", but somehow they can justify violating the basic right of an elected official.. guess once again the constitution is just a situational document.. that goddamned piece of paper.
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    #75 Jersey

    "51 ayes and 17 nays"

    Lets see...28 plus 17....carry the 1...that's 45. Motion still passes. Wow, it's practically a coup d'etat.
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    Basic right? They held a vote the budget was passed by the majority. The dems were upset that their delaying tatics were defeated.

    I don't remember you outrage when the Pelosi congress limited debate and when the rules committee wouldn't allow the pubbies to introduce amendment during the health care debate, btw the pubs didn't leave DC.

    Save your phony outrage for eople who care.

    BTW the Tea Party folks want the WI senators to stop hiding and do the job they are being paid for but not showing up to do.


    Maybe the Koch brothers told the WI legislature when to vote? HAHAHA!
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    Mr. Naivete, they probably did.. go Tea Party, keep violating the rights of the platform you all stood on.. way to go, you have become the them you warned us about...

    There is also a huge difference between limiting debate, and not allowing people to vote.. can you possibly imagine that you do not give the common courtesy, and the right of an elected official their right to vote.. the most sacred item of our democracy has been "Wisconsined"...

    Guess next election they should let the early returns come out as well as the projections, so the people on the west coast do not have to bother voting.. that makes sense.
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    What if this happened in Massachusetts?

    The republicans are few and far between in the state house, but what
    if they went to New Hampshire to protest a vote to change the bill
    to allow Deval Patrick to appoint Paul Kirk to Ted Kennedy's senate seat.

    If that happened, should the Democrats have waited for them to return before voting?

    Without the Kirk vote, there would be no Obamacare..

    Imagine if the minorty party ran to another state every time they did not
    like a bill that was going to be passed.
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    No one can defend the dem's running aways like a bunch of loser-cowards...no one. It is simply idefensible
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    FYI Abraham Lincoln employed the same tactic... can that be defended???...

    So in your mind violating the constitution, but not allowing an elected official to exercise his or her right to vote is ok in your mind..

    Guess in the whacko world of the right, the end justifes the means..
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    How did the republicans stop the democrats from voting?
    Sounds like your spin is getting you dizzy.
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    #12 Jersey

    What are you referring to?
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    #12 Jersey

    Loser-cowards, is it?

    Goose, meet Gander.


    Republicans followed through this morning on their threat to boycott a Senate committee's work this week on a sweeping climate change bill.

    The only one to show up, the Associated Press reports, was George Voinovich of Ohio, the ranking Republican on the environment committee, and he only attended to explain why the GOP is staying away. He said the tactic "is not a ruse" to block the bill, but reflects concern that the full economic impact of the bill has not been studied or made clear.


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    Judge David Hamilton will testify once again before the Senate Judiciary Committee at the behest of the committee's Republicans, most of whom refused to attend his first hearing.

    President Obama tapped Hamilton on March 17 to fill a vacancy on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, and two weeks later, most members of the committee minority refused to attend the first hearing to consider his nomination


    Obama Appointee Given Second Hearing After Republicans Boycott First | TPMDC



    New Jersey Republicans boycott quorum, forcing new delays in tax repeal effort.


    The New Jersey Assembly tried and failed again yesterday to reach a quorum needed for lawmakers to act on a $2.8 billion tax repeal proposal, as state Republicans continued their boycott of the...

    New Jersey Republicans boycott quorum, forcing new delays in tax repeal effort. - American Banker Article



    SALEM, Ore. (AP) - Oregon Senate Republicans briefly threw a wrench in plans to start a rainy day savings account.

    The plan, which calls for a one-time diversion of $290 million in corporate tax credits, passed the House Thursday on a 47-to-10 vote.

    The bill then went to the Senate but 10 Senate Republicans walked out, meaning no quorum existed so no Senate business could be conducted.


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    If you're not going to make yourself available to vote, you don't deserve a vote. If Abe did it, it's still wrong. You think everything he did was ok just cuz he's Abe? That's utterly ridiculous Darryl

    At what point should the republicans stopped waiting for the dem's to return? In your mind, how long would have been "too long" for the dem's to stay out of town. Please be specific.

    BTW...FDR was against public unions. What do you think about that?
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    #12 Jersey


    I found it

    Abraham Lincoln Jumped Out of a Second-Story Window to Stop a Vote -- Daily Intel


    Abraham Lincoln Jumped Out of a Second-Story Window to Stop a Vote

    The "don't show up for work" strategy being used by Wisconsin and Indiana Democrats to deny Republicans a quorom is nothing compared to what Abraham Lincoln did to stop a vote in the Illinois legislature in 1840.

    On December 5, 1840, Democrats "proposed an early adjournment, knowing this would bring a speedy end to the State Bank. The Whigs tried to counter by leaving the capitol building before the vote, but the doors were locked. That's when Lincoln made his move. He headed for the second story, opened a window and jumped to the ground!"

    Awesome.

    "For a while Lincoln's escape denied the House its quorum, but it didn't last long. He was returned to the chambers and the House voted to adjourn."

    Still pretty awesome!

    :rocker:
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    MrsP, where did I say only DEMOCRATS who run away are cowards? In my opinion, all politicians who employ this tactic are cowards...no matter their party. They have a responsibility to vote at the sceduled time.

    Hope I satisfied your curiousity.

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    #12 Jersey

    And the other side has a responsibility to allow the matter at hand to be discussed and everyone has a right to be heard.

    If you don't live up to that responsibility and you don't grant each side that right you probably do deserve to be walked out on.
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    If they want to be heard, then they have to show up. Did you expect the republicans to wait for them to be heard on their time, did you?

    Can you tell us why the Dem's left the state MrsP?
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    #12 Jersey

    Because they have been told, repeatedly, that there is no room for negotiations. The Republicans have tried to push through the bill with little public debate or scrutiny, they are refusing to allow debate on the floor regarding any part of the bill and the governor, while finding an abundance time to talk to a faux Koch, has not found time to talk to them in spite of repeated efforts to speak to him on the part of the democratic senators.

    Perhaps you can tell me why the Republican co-chair of the Joint Finance Committee prevented a "citizen filibuster" and limited the amount of time that residents had to speak, prompting protests from the people who were shut out of hearing without being heard? Or why Republican Assembly members refused to stay around and listen to their testimony? In an interview with The Huffington Post on Saturday, Democratic Rep. Brett Hulsey said that members of his caucus continued to listen to hundreds of hours of testimony after the Republicans walked out.

    Why was this Republican sponsored, 140 page bill presented on a Monday with the intention of holding a public hearing on Tuesday (which the Republicans didn't stick around for) and being taken up in the Senate on Thursday, and voted on immediately without explanation or debate?

    Perhaps you can tell me why, if this is only "about the budget," that Walker is refusing to take the concessions already given (Democratic Senators have already agreed to pass the bit about the raise in the amount of insurance and pension co-pay) and allow the remaining bit about collective bargaining rights to be, at the very least, discussed?

    Like I said earlier, it may not change the final vote due but it does give everyone due process and the chance to be heard.

    Which was, last I heard, one of the cornerstones of democracy.

    Just because the outcome is fixed already it doesn't mean the other team shouldn't get a chance to suit up and play as if they had a chance.
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    I think Walker agrees with FDR's opinion that unions don't belong in the public sector, so why negotiate?

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