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  1. mgteich

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    As of now, I think the weakest player on the defense is Crable. Certainly an argument can be made for Smith or Green, since we are looking at signing Carter.

    Crable is not really needed for much this year. Thomas/Burgess/Woods should be an OK OLB rotation, with Banta-Cain there in case of injury (and justifying his salary playing special teams).

    DEFENSE (24)
    DL (7) - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Smith, Wright, Brace
    OLB (4) - Thomas, Burgess, Woods, Crable
    ILB (4) - Mayo, Bruschi, Guyton, Lenon
    CB (5) - Bodden, Springs, Wilhite, Wheatley, Butler
    S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan/Williams

    I have guys like Ventrone, Slater, Banta-Cain, Jones and Ciurciu competing for special team roster spots. I think 24 roster spots is enough for the defense.
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    Crable is a 3rd or 4th stringer so I don't see him much as a weakness. If were going with potential starters Im gonna have to say bruschi. As much respect I have for him, looking through the defense he's probably the biggest libility.
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    Br far it's Bruschi. Not quick enough, and not as strong these days means he's a vunerability.
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    Do not know how we can assess Crable at this point, has not been in TC and was out for a lot of last year???...

    If his absence was the sole barometer he would be cut..
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    Bruschi is here for the brains. If he decides to "retire" before the season, that would be fine, I think Guyton will be starting in his place by mid-season anyway. Let's enjoy what is likely his last year in the NFL. And may he go out with a ring.
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    Definitely Smith. Crable has yet to show anything, but only because of injuries. He could be great or he very well could suck, but I don't think that we can label him the weakest until he has had the opportunity to show his stuff. Smith has had that opportunity for 3 years now and has shown nothing. I would not be surprised if he doesn't make the final 53.
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    My guess would be Wilhite or Butler. Wilhite's been in the program longer so has an edge here. Both are roughly the same height and weight.

    DEFENSE (24)
    DL (7) - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Smith, Wright, Brace
    OLB (4) - Thomas, Burgess, Woods, Crable
    ILB (4) - Mayo, Bruschi, Guyton, Lenon
    CB (5) - Bodden, Springs, Wilhite, Wheatley, Butler
    S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan/Williams

    I have guys like Ventrone, Slater, Banta-Cain, Jones and Ciurciu competing for special team roster spots. I think 24 roster spots is enough for the defense.[/QUOTE]
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    Paris Lenon.
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    The next player
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    Tedy Brushci should have been replaced by a drafted Rey Maualuga, that didn't happen, so we move on. Tedy is on the 18th hole lining up his final putt, after Tedy, I look at Smith on the D-line.

    With that said, I think people have to be patient with Crable. He'll prove to be the player we think he can be based on what he did in pre-season last year. Let the kid get healthy.
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    It's obvious

    He's been here since 2004 - and no one mentions him on their roster

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    Even if Maualuga doesn't fit what the Patriots look for in terms of an ILB? Like being able to play within the system and know other player's assignments so you better understand yours or being able to drop back into coverage because you've read the offense properly?
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    Am I the only one not sold on Springs at CB? I think Bodden is going to be a stud with this defense and Butler will be strong by seasons end but I have the sinking feeling that Springs is going to be this years Deltha O'Neal...

    Also think that Lenon is a goner and Ninkovich makes the cut
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    Why do you think that Lenon is a goner, but Ninkovich makes the cut?
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    Bruschi's passion for the game and the way he has gone about his retirement thoughts make think it is very unlikely he would retire during camp/preseason.

    In the past he has used the time after the Superbowl to contemplate if he wanted to retire and has tried to make the decision quick so he could get back to his training.

    Injury aside I would bet money that he will be in uni come the regular season.
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    That was good, but what if the next player was Peppers?
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    I agree with this one...has never been healthy or productive but still sticks around...maybe he could have a breakout year this year...
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    #36. Hot air about him, hence why are there four new safeties in camp. He is...."solid(?)"...I'll puke if I hear that praise anymore. He is just not that good. Great intensity. Great work habits. Just slow and timid. Cannot cover period! No talent but makes the best at hanging in. Mediocre at best.
    But Alexander has to have dirty pictures on somebody.
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    Chung and Mcgowan...who are the other new Safeties????

    I agree that I dont see some of the praise that Rodney and BB have given him but I cant say he is our weakest player on defense.
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    Weakest starter is Bru. I'll have to say Sanders is the next. I believe he was resigned because he is young and has potential. Getting Chung shows Sanders isn't good yet. He might be bright and a leader but not the best athlete/football player
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    A few people have said that Lenon is struggling with the playbook and noticably falling behind and that Ninkovich was looking sharp out there.
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    Disagree on Sanders. He's a pretty important piece. I think getting Chung says we can't get by with only two young, athletic safeties.
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    James Sanders is a 3rd / backup safety in this league. And that's all we can ask for based on where he was drafted.

    He at times can be a sure-tackler.

    He can at times take bad angles in run support and on WR slants which have turned into big plays by the opponent.

    He is really never, ever around the football. Honestly sit and say to yourself, "man, when was the last time James Sanders made a play that really meant something?" I'll be honest, I can't remember one. I can remember the bad angle on the Dwayne Bowe slant in the KC game that tied the game. I remember the bad angle against Addai right before the half in Indy which lead to Addai's screen TD. As well as other poor angle decisions. You just don't see the man near the football or even close to making picks, he'll try to keep things in front of him "with a cushion" to allow himself to be able to make the hit. This is why he's a role player and not a play maker. Chung and Meriweather are the great safeties, the play makers, the "Atwater/Dennis Smith" and that will prove itself out real soon and James will fall back into that 3rd safety role, which is where he truly belongs.

    DaBruinz is doubting Rey Maualuga and what he's going to bring to a defense. I am not so sure you want to be doubting Rey Maualuga and the impact he's going to have playing next to Keith Rivers in that Cincy interior.
    Mayo/Maualuga combination in the middle of our defense would have been scary, we were cheated out of seeing that. You questioned Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie for some reason also, and you are going to see what DRC does this season in only his second year. Greatness awaits the man.
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    Guyton looks really good this year and he and Mayo looks really scary to me.

    Its interesting now, I think our defense is all set, we also have Tank Williams who can play at ILB even though he is listed as a safety. Lenon is not doing well at TC and struggling with the playbook but the guy is known to be intelligent so I'd imagine he will improve a lot as time goes on. I can't see Tedy being involved very much this year, but until Lenon shows he has got a handle on the playbook you can't cut Bruschi.
    I think if anybody is cut off the list thats in the op it will be a tackle, I'm taking into account that Burgess can play there if things got bad and the fact that there is less need for big men on STs with the change in the wedge rule.
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    I am not sold on Springs ability to play an entire season. I think he can give us 6 to 8 games before he breaks down.
    However if those 6 to 8 games give one of the youngsters (wheatley or Butler) the time they need to step it up and earn the starter's job,then so much the better.
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    Hmmm this defense is stacked, but if I were to nitpick, I would go with Springs. Every time I read something on Springs, he is too winded or out of breath to remain on the field. Someone tell Randy and Wes to slow the HECK down:)
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    I think the winded thing was written about one day by two different reporters who I presume were next to each other when they saw it and discussed to together.

    I think this was a poor analysis because I believe they mentioned it was during a 2 minute drill. Which was during the second session on one of the hotter days and it was Springs first day in camp and the report was he missed day one because he was sick the week leading into camp.

    I am more concerned with what ever his injury is now than his persumed bad conditionin which may not have been legit.
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    Agree on Rey. Missed opportunity.
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    You can't just assume that...
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    why not? they sit in the tent together and I would imagine they discuss things together. Even if they independantly came to the conclusion the rest of points were still valid.
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