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  1. Harry Boy

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    Interesting that you try to use a hypothetical 9/11 against Obama, when the actual 9/11 took place under your boy Bush, and bin Laden was killed under Obama, not Bush.

    On each count Obama > Bush.
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    This is a concept foreign to Harry and all the rightie tighties, it is called recognizing that perhaps you made a mistake and making a change....

    Obama was damned if he did and damned if he did not..

    Too bad George did not do the same when he lied about and then invaded Iraq....
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    I dunno...invade Norway? Make people take off their shoes at the airport again? Create another cabinet position? Let the Patriots win the Super Bowl on purpose again ?

    You're right on the contraception issue. If Obama backs off on this, he'll be seen as weak because he...*gasp!*...COMPROMISED! WHAT A PUZZIE!
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    Obama is a liberal ideologue. He attempted to impose a nanny state, rights destroying, constitution burning policy on some people he doesn't like, and it backfired on him. I must admit, a part of me kinda wanted to see this go to the SCOTUS.
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    Who doesn't he like, and your source???
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    Talk about unhinged.

    The SCOTUS would have ruled in his favor. "Constitution burning policy" LMAO!
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    #24 Jersey

    The problem with this whole thing isn't religion or birth control it's the government telling insurance companies what they have to cover.

    Two points :

    1) If there were a real market for health insurance we could choose from a variety of options and get insurance we need. For example, I have been fixed (or broken however you see it) so I can't have any more kids. However my health insurance now will increase my premiums because birth control pills are covered. Thanks, obama you loser. The moron said insurance would go down - it will be forced to go up if he's dictating that they cover more.

    2) Health "insurance" isn't even insurance anymore it's pre-paid health care. Insurance should be for unusual, big money events. Cancer, heart attack, broken leg. Run of the mill stuff like doctors visits, birth control pills shouldn't be covered. Insurance should cover less, cost less and for small stuff you can pay yourself. Or not. Imagine how much car insurance would cost if it covered all changes, new tires and little bumps.

    The health insurance situation was bad before obama and the bungling fool has made it worse.

    BTW the birth control mandate will cost a lot. You have to multiply the cost of birth control times the number of women who take it, that's what this will cost insurers. Then divide that by the number of policies and that's what the increase will be (minus any previous coverage). With the cost of BC and number of women who take it this will be a non trivial increase to every policy including mine when I couldn't get a woman pregnant (now) if I tried a million times.
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    BF,

    Perhaps you can explain to me how this is Obama's fault when the rule has been in place since (IIRC) 2000.

    Thanks!

    And that's not even mentioning the fact that covering birth control SAVES money in the long run.
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    #24 Jersey

    If that's true then it's everyone's fault since and including then. I don't believe it is true that BC was mandated to be covered in all policies and no cost to the patient though.
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    Yeah, the mandate is from 2000; the no co-pay rule was an addition in the PPACA, I believe.
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    #24 Jersey

    The Non Affordable Care Act has made it worse, then, if what you say is true but the bigger point - other than a chance to slam the idiot in chief - is that the government has no business dictating what has to be covered and health insurance isn't even insurance anymore, it's pre paid health care.

    That's the problem I had with the NACA - some of it is probably good, some is not, but because obama refused to listed to the right and the business side they didn't come close to fixing the problem; which, again, existed well before obama he has just made it worse.
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    Uh huh. The problems with the PPACA exist because Obama refused to listen to the right. Just what color is the sky in your world, exactly? Nevermind the fact that the PPACA is essentially a carbon copy of the health care reforms that had previously been championed by Republicans (that is, before Obama assumed office, at which time it became socialism and a government takeover of the healthcare system).

    Do you understand that certain preventative measures reduce health care costs in the long run? Why do you think insurers are not loathe at having to cover birth control? What do you think costs more: contraception, or unintentional pregnancies?
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    Another factor is that the majority of the people covered by these medical plans want Birth Control Pills covered.. it is the decision makers in these churches that do not want it to happen.

    But what do the beneficiaries of these health plans have to do with anything mentioned here...

    Majority of Catholics say birth control should be covered by health insurance plans, survey finds (poll) | MLive.com

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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not going to re-hash everything again. We did that last year. I have no problem with mandating catastrophic coverage for everyone - or even the government paying for that catastrophic coverage. The problem is it didn't fix anything. We are still overinsured. The cost per unit of health care will not go down. Until health care costs less per unit the problem cannot be fixed and covering more does not do that. I wonder what an oil change would cost if the government mandated that insurance pay for it. Probably $200.
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    You should at least cite the journal editorial ;)
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    My source.

    Sure it would have. That's why he gave in so easily.
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    You're completely missing the problem related to this issue. It's not a matter of whether or not catholics think BC should be covered by insurance plans. It's whether or not the catholic church itself should be required to provide BC coverage in the plans it offers its employees, since the fundamental view of the church is that contraception is forbidden, or a sin.

    To me, if people want BC covered by their employers plan, then they shouldn't take up a job with the catholic church.
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    Gotta admit RW your post gave me a good chuckle (your source).

    I still can't fathom that our government can dictate a policy which violates tenants of a given faith, which if I am following this case correctly it would have.

    If I recall my CCD classes from moons ago, any forms of birth control other than the rhythm method and pull and pray violate church teachings.

    I wouldn't say this makes Obama "weak". I actually think it shows some level of common sense on his part, and the gov had to realize this wasnt going to fly.

    EDIT: I will add for hilarity sake that my mother in law was happy with Obama's original stance on this issue. She even went so far to say that if it were overturned that it would be the first step toward overturning Roe v. Wade.

    You can't make this sh*t up...
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    #24 Jersey

    Just because we share the viewpoint doesn't mean I stole it from there. You will find a variety of posts by me 12-18 months ago saying the same thing. It's fairly obvious, you don't need to have read that editorial to realize health insurance is a totally different beast from any other insurance.

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