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  1. mayoclinic

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    Interesting article by Nolan Nawrocki on Rey Maualuga today, subtitled "Maualuga's Bust Factor Scares NFL Teams":

    NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

    Some notable quotes:

    "On Wednesday, Maualuga has another chance to prove himself at USC's highly anticipated pro-day workout, but the way we hear it, nothing Maualuga does will erase the concerns teams have about him on tape and off the field. 'Chart how many times he is on the ground,' one longtime evaluator said, 'and you will see why I think he will always struggle in the pros. He had so much talent around him — that defense may be as talented as I’ve ever seen in college. It covers up a lot of mistakes.' For as fearlessly as Maualuga may run through contact and as violently as he may deliver some big hits, he too often struggles to break down in the open field and gets caught out of position by taking false steps. His instincts still leave a lot to be desired. Scouts that revisit the Trojans’ loss to Oregon State have come away even more unimpressed, as Maualuga’s shoddy tackling was identified as a major reason for the 27-21 loss to the Beavers."

    "'He has a high bust factor,' said one NFL executive responsible for stacking his team's draft board. 'There is a lot there that scares me. There is a right price for everyone, but I would not feel comfortable taking him in the first round where we are picking. The money is too great. You cannot afford to make mistakes and expect to recover from them.'"
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    and yet every year teams still spend 1st rounders on unpolished, high potential guys. I hope the negative PR keeps coming and Maualuga falls to us with one of our top 4 picks.
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    Sounds like that must have come from a top ten picking team given the quote about the money. I still think he's the best need/value given what we have next to Mayo and the (lack of) depth at ILB in the draft vs. that of OLB. How the Patriots have him ranked, obviously, I have no clue.
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    FWIW the Patriots are not on the list of visits that PFT has for him :

    "Maualuga is set to visit the San Francisco 49ers next week followed by visits with the Miami Dolphins, San Diego Chargers, St. Louis Rams, Cleveland Browns, Tennessee Titans and New Orleans Saints."
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    I've got him going to New Orleans at 14, and I have New Orleans being very sorry one year from now.
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    They are using the Oregon State game where he got injured and still accumulated 12 tackles as his benchmark? That's a bit of a head scratcher, right there.

    I am not worried about Maualuga's pursuit angles or tackling technique, at least on the Patriots. I'd be worried about his partying when off the field and future injuries.
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    I think Maualuga is the only ILB that fits what the Pats need next to Mayo. People are worried about him only being a 2down lb but is that so bad? We need somebody to replace Tedy in that position, even if Mau only becomes a 2down lb we have Guyton that could play on passing downs while Mau helps being that thumper lb we havent had since Ted Johnson. Mayo Muauluga and Guyton could be a nice trio for a long time to come. Mayo the 3down lb who can do it all, Mau the thumper who can play the run and hit like a ton of bricks and is a faster version of Ted J, and Guyton who has great speed and can play on passing downs.

    If Mau is there at 23 and if the Pats like him I hope they get him even if Barwin is there, Barwin could last until 34 but even if he dont im sure a Clay Matthews or English, Brown, or Maybin will still be available.
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    Well that means nothing. Actually from reading the LA Times blog sounds like the Saints are very big on Cushing.
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    That's why I said FWIW.
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    Agreed.... He has "bust' written all over him... Definitely not interested in him.
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    Apparently he's looking good at today's pro day, but Matthews is looking much better, according to the experts.

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    just a question during an espn insider chat:

    Mike (Boca Raton): New England can't possibly use all of the picks it has in rounds 1 - 3 this year. do you see them trading up in this year's draft or out of the draft (until next year)?

    SportsNation Matt Williamson: Very possible and no one plans for the future by stock piling future picks as well as NEng. Excellent point. I bet they really liike R Mauluga as well-could trade up to nab someone like him that they love. Put him next to Mayo behind that DL. Oh baby.
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    Any chance of a link so we can see what else was said ?
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    Yeah, it's the most useless useful thing on the Web, but it's the latest craze for now.
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    Thanks, Farmer's feed is pretty good. Any others you know of worth following for draft news?
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    There are only four ILB that I would want us to get day one.
    1) Aaron Curry-ILB/OLB Wake Forest
    2) Rey Maualuga-ILB USC
    3) Clay Matthews-ILB/OLB USC
    4) Brian Cushing-ILB/OLB USC
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    So far I haven't seen anything good on Twitter for news I can't get elsewhere, but PatriotsInsider seems pretty good, basically news from all over, including the Globe, Herald, Scout, etc.

    I new of the Sam Farmer live tweeting because I'm an SC fan and wanted to see how the guys were doing. Plus I'm interested in seeing what guys would look best on the Pats. Hey, just noticed that Sam Farmer is following Patriots Insider.
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    I've never heard of anyone talking about moving Curry to ILB. The three USC guys, I agree. But, not Curry.
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    Maualuga hasn't run the 40 yet at the Pro Day, and I don't expect much out of him. He is gameday fast and quick.

    As far as the others:

    Matthews/Mayo anyone?
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    There is no doubt in my mind that Clay Matthews son will be an outstanding 43 Will. He can also likely play Mike in a scheme where he would be protected such as the one Ray Lewis has mandated in Baltimore. Defending the A and B gaps while driving through guards? Not so much.
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    Good points, I wonder if hes strong enough to be a good run defender playing olb in a 34.
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    I really don't think I'd be mad with us drafting any of the USC LBs, or Larry English or Conner Barwin, or ... I think it's gonna be pretty tough to be upset in this draft, unless we start reaching for players or trading away every one of our draft picks.
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    Agreed. I floated the idea of Matthews as an SILB a couple of months ago, and most of the expertienced people on the board agreed with Jays52. I could see him as a Ray Lewis-style ILB where he's protected, but he really seems to have been best when he's been shielded from OLs and darts through gaps to make the play. Not exactly the kind of scheme we use, or the skills we demand of our SILBs.
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    I have said this before and I will say this again, Rey Maualuga will drop out of the first round. Teams will be afraid of his slow forty time and him being a weak link in that talented USC defense.
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    Thats why I think Maualuga would be a really good SILB next to Mayo even if hes only a 2down lb, we always have Guyton who could replace Ray on passing down if all else fails.
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    Gee Mav, when I read this at first I thought you were advocating for a certain unpolished, high-potential linebacker from Cincinnati. :D

    I posted this thread because I thought it was noteworthy, not because it is my opinion. I have been agnostic on Maualuga - I'm not convinced he is a 3-down SILB for the Pats or that he has the instincts, pass coverage ability, or ability to grasp our complex schemes that is required. On the other hand, he has intriguing ability as a 3-4 SILB, and other than Brandon Spikes I don't see anyone being a clear improvement on him. So I'm happy to keep him in the mix for consideration in the 2nd round, if he somehow slips (which I consider unlikey). I don't see him being value at 23, however.
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    Right, but with so many options I think the best play would be to see which of those players falls to #34. Trading #23 for a 1st in 2010 would be a great move IMO.
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