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  1. Patters

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    Pretty interesting that there are quite a few incidents by right wing extremists to thwart the will of the people. I think in some quarters that's called fascism.

    Scott Walker Recall Campaign Gets Ugly As Allegations Fly

    On Sunday, a man was arrested on allegations that he defaced recall petitions.

    "The suspect stood in line to sign a petition and when given the petition clipboard, he scribbled out some names on the actual form, and the recall worker took the clipboard back, and he left the scene without any incident," West Bend, Wis. police Sgt. Matt Rohlinger told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

    Police arrested another woman from Thorp, Wis. after she reportedly grabbed a sign from recall volunteers, tore it up, threw it on the ground and then drove away. Officers charged her with disorderly conduct and criminal damage to property.

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    Just one day after Democrats began gathering signatures, Caledonia Patch reported on at least three individuals who were collecting signatures to recall Walker but had no intention of turning in the petitions to be counted. ...

    Although the individuals eventually said they would turn in the petitions, there were online rumors of a larger effort to sabotage the petition-gathering known as "Operation Burn Notice." Police were also looking for a man who allegedly ripped up petitions.

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    A student from Edgewood College in Wisconsin also reportedly ripped up a petition on his campus, after which he tweeted a confessional message to Walker: "Today I ripped up a petition form to recall you."
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    Yeah trying to recall a politician who did what he said he would do is pretty undemocratic. You think they would try to win the next election.
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    #75 Jersey

    This is "war on democracy"?

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    No, I wouldn't. Recall is part of the law in Wisconsin. I think they would abide by the law. And my guess is that you had no problems with the recall of Gray Davis, so not only are you now defending thugs and lawbreakers, it would appear you'll have to parse this issue quite finely to avoid being hypocritical.
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    Yeah, when you rip up signed petition, make threatening phone calls, plot to destroy petitions, you are waging war on the democratic process.
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    For the right only certain laws that benefit them are the right laws, all the rest that they cannot manipulate become unconstitutional or some other such nonsense.
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    The governorship of Wisconsin is not "democracy". It's a tempest in a teapot. You are missing the larger threats. You're afraid of those morons (who have already been arrested or about to be)? Really? What power do they have?

    You are correct in a sense that people on both sides of this are playing for keeps:

    Gov. Walker: Recall Proponents 'Cross the Line'
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    Issuing death threats to the governor is fine and threatening children is fine as long as it is leftist unions doing the threatening.


    That is democracy in action for the left.
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    Using the term "war" on any situation other than a WAR is silly, IMO. It's like the word "revolution".

    War on Drugs
    War on Terror
    War on Cancer
    Class War
    War on Poverty
    and my favorite: "War on Christmas":rofl:

    No wonder we are so desensitized and passive about going to actual WARS where we tear human bodies apart and destroy cities. No problem. Just another war.
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    So, first you attack people who are participating in the democratic process.

    Then you go for the "2 wrongs make a right" angle.

    You can't simply admit wrongdoing if it's by a pubbie, huh? Great to see a "mod" trying to hijack a thread because it puts his buddies in a negative light.
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    This really isn't much different from voter fraud. They are trying to prevent people's voices from being heard.

    We've discussed the crimes and bad acts of the other side here before. They don't excuse these crimes in any way, and they shouldn't prevent these from being brought up and discussed.
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    Not to hijack this thread, but....
    Here's a follow-up on my earlier, rather brilliant post. A must-read for anyone interested in our current inability to get things done:

    Political 'wars' everywhere in America. A wonder we're not all dead. | Alaska Dispatch

    For fierce partisans, demonizing the other side produces cathartic feelings of angry self-righteousness and attracts large audiences in the media, but such discourse has nothing to offer people who are genuinely interested in figuring out effective policy options. By fundamentally misidentifying the cause of bad policy as evil rather than error, this metaphor wrenches discussion away from its proper emphasis on observable facts, quality of logic, and predicting the consequences of societal actions.
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    When did I suggest that they shouldn't? I just was saying that this is not a large-scale "war on democracy". See: thread about the new "Patriot Act on Steroids".
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    You didn't seem to be talking about the scale of this issue -- clearly it's at the state level, not nationwide.

    You seemed pretty clearly to be comparing it to other crimes that have taken place in WI. If that isn't what you meant to say, fair enough.

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