The underrated impact of Rodney Harrsion

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  1. Zeus

    Zeus PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    The prevailing wisdom is that the Patriots "dynasty" spanned the Super Bowl seasons of 2001, 2003 and 2004, and that since the end of 2004, the team's performance has generally deteriorated. And there's a good bit of truth to this viewpoint. After all, the results are the results and there hasn't been a parade around here since February 2005.

    Another view is that the Patriots played their best, most consistent football from 2003 through 2007. Prior to 2003, New England had never won as many as 12 games in any regular season. In the five seasons beginning in 2003, they did it four times. During this time, the Patriots were 66-14 in the regular season and 11-3 in the play-offs, an astounding 77-17 (.819) overall. That's five years of dominant play by any conceivable measure.

    Rodney Harrison was signed in 2003. The team's worst two years during the 2003-07 stretch were 2005 and 2006. What do those years have in common? Both were seasons that Rodney missed substantial portions of (including all play-off games) due to injuries.

    Here's the amazing part. The team's record during 2003-07 with Harrison in the lineup was an unheard of 58-8 (.879)! Without Rodney, 19-9 (.679). And only once did the Patriots lose a post season game (8-1 in the play-offs) with Rodney in uniform (ugh - sorry to even bring this up).

    Coincidence or cause and effect? There's no way to be entirely sure, but what's clear is that the Patriots were a tougher, smarter and much more intense football team whenever #37 suited up. The numbers suggest that Harrison was a bigger part of New England's success than many realize.
     
  2. sbpatfan

    sbpatfan Banned

    Wouldn't doubt it, good safeties are game changers. We saw that with Pittsburgh this year.
     
  3. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    He was a hugh part no question.

    I still say he doesn't get hurt vs Tenn in 06, Pats weather the 2nd 1/2 comback vs Indy in the AFCCC and win the SB vs the Bears.

    Saying the team deteriorated is a stretch. 07 was a pretty stellar season excluding the last 2:30.:rolleyes:
     
  4. Mainefan

    Mainefan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Well observed.
     
  5. miDeuce

    miDeuce Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Every season that Rodney finished healthy the Patriots were playing in the Super Bowl. The loss of him and Bruschi in 2009 cannot be understated. Great info!
     
  6. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    So what the hell are we waiting for lets sign him up again.
     
  7. cstjohn17

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    The guy was a stud, one of the all time greats and boarder line HOFer plus he was an incredible leader. He imposed his will on younger teammates, lots of players can run fast but very few players can motivate others. Watch the old games, players like Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, etc. were on and off field leaders, time for the new group to step up.
     
  8. letekro

    letekro In the Starting Line-Up

    Just watch any NFL films production on Pats 2003-2004 and note the absurd amount of big plays he made. 6 playoff games, 6 ints, IIRC.
     
  9. MoLewisrocks

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    Rodney was unique in that winning not only mattered to him, it was the only thing that mattered and it didn't matter how many times he won he still was determined to win again and again. Brady is similarly wired but he has to be more of a diplomat because of the position he occupies. One of the first things Rodney ever did after landing here was nearly decapitate Bingo in practice... And I don't think he ever apologized...He knew practicing mattered. He was all focus. And tough as nails. That tackle he made with the broken arm...And when they all had their cry baby circle jerk after Milloy was cut, Rodney was the guy who confronted them on Monday and asked them if they had gotten it out of their system or were they going to cry and moan all season...Rodney never sugar coated anything...He didn't play football to make a living. He played football because he loved it and it mattered. I remember Bill seeking him out after the 2003 AFCC and hugging him and telling him so glad we got you...
     
  10. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    He definitely brought a new level of mental toughness and intimidation to the Patriots D. You could never underrate his field awareness.
     
  11. IcyPatriot

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    I always view Rodney as the player that put us over the top. He wasn't super fast and he wasn't all jacked up. But he could deliver at the exact instant he needed to deliver.
     
  12. patsinthesnow

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    I always wonder if he will make the HOF. He deserves it.

    1. Statistically he deserves it. (only player 30 sacks and 30 interceptions in NFL history).
    2. Two-time superbowl champion
    3. 2x Pro Bowl, 2x All-Pro
    4. Over $200,000 dollars in fines. This will help him as being remembered as a hard-hitter, or "dirty player". (a football player..:) )
    5. His seven playoff interceptions (including one returned for a touchdown) are a Patriots team record.

    That looks HOF to me.
     
  13. MoLewisrocks

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    Everyone else had their momentary lapses. Times when their own feelings got hurt or they had an issue or they lost focus. The enforcer never did. Nothing else mattered enough to distract him from his ultimate goal...He used to play on the defensive scout team by choice just to mess with the offense...and toughen them up.
     
  14. totally ignoring the point that their best ILB had a stroke and the rest of the LB's got old.......

    the best defensive years for the pats were 2003 and 2004, bar none....

    but yes, rodney harrison made a huge difference here
     
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  15. HarkDawg

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    Never have I viewed Rodney as underrated in anyway.




    the thought of you insinuating it is troublesome :(
     
  16. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    He was my favorite player on the Pats defense over the past decade. He was a game changer. Had a knack for the big play, laid the wood like few others, and was so focused and determined to win. Also a great leader who wasn't afraid to speak up and challenge the team. Always played with a chip on his shoulder like he had something to prove.

    I was very sad when he finally called it quits, and I had tears in my eyes when he was carted off the field against Denver and he was waving to the fans. Knew it was probably the end, and it was very emotional. Love to hear him on NBC to counter Dungy and his Manning love.
     
  17. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    What is your point? The discussion is about the value of RH to the defense.

    What does Bruschi's stroke and aging LBs have to do with the discussion?
     
  18. HarkDawg

    HarkDawg Banned



    are you loaded right now?




    j/k



    I like playing around.

    I agree w/ the others

    obviously you can make an argument that b/c of Bruschi's stroke, it hurt the entire defensive unit. It does not hold water w/ a straight up Rodney being undervalued statement, which is not true either might I add.
     
  19. well....the OP brought that the worst defensive season's from 2003-2007 were harrisons presence......I was just throwing out other possibilities.......it has plenty to do with the discussion.......get it?
     
  20. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    I see. Thought you were going on your Pats LB suck rant again..;)
     
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