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  1. dryheat44

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    Valid until Cutler is traded. Fire away.

    1 Lions - In reality, the Lions are going to select whichever player who will sign his name on the name which is dotted. So now we have to guess who that will be. I suppose Jason Smith is as likely as anybody else. As long as their considering Smith/Monroe/Raji/and Curry, they'll be okay. Stafford will get them laughed at.

    2 Rams - Eugene Monroe in the easiest pick in the mock.

    3 Chiefs - BJ Raji - Glenn Dorsey makes a nice 3-4 End, but a Nose Tackle is needed to make the new 3-4 fly.

    4 Seahawks - I was pretty sure Aaron Curry would be the pick here even before the
    'hawks traded Julian Peterson.

    5 Browns - The Browns need a OLB badly, so if ManKok decides Orakpo or Brown is worthy,
    they will be the pick here. They also need a CB, bringing Jenkins in play. They need a WR
    severely, but spending a high pick on one doesn't seem to be the ideal course. Of course, after trading Winslow, trying to trade Edwards, cutting Jurevicius, and Stallworth possibly being jailed, they do need one to play immediately. I'm sure they'll be trying to trade out of this spot. Do the 49ers want to trade up for a QB? Probably not this high unless they get a chart discount. The Browns are without a 3rd rounder this year, so let's trade this pick to the 49ers for #10 and the 49ers 3rd rounders this year (#74) and next. The 49ers have renegotiated Alex Smith, which allows them to take Mark Sanchez here.

    6 Bengals - Cincy needs an edge rusher here, so Brian Orakpo makes sense.

    7 Raiders - I don't think there's much doubt that Crazy Al wants to go WR here. The question is which. Crabtree wasn't a burner to begin with, and doesn't figure to be faster after foot surgery. Jeremy Maclin seems to fit the profile and will hopefully give JeMarcus a reliable target.

    8 Jaguars - There are rumblings that they are thinking about QB here, but Garrard gets paid to be a starter, and he wasn't bad at all when the offensive line was healthy. I think their decision is down to Andre Smith and Malcolm Jenkins, whom they'll ultimately opt for.

    9 Packers - Another team switching defensive schemes, current personnel be damned. They definitely need a front-seven defender who can come in and compete for a starting role. I think Everette Brown best fits the profile.

    10 Browns (from San Francisco) - I guess the teams drafting 6-9 make up his decision for him. The Browns take Michael Crabtree.

    11 Bills - At some point, this Jason Peters fella has to go, as we're currently on Season Two of the Shoot Yourself Out of Town show. It's a gamble, but taking a left tackle, such as Michael Oher makes more sense than a tight end or linebacker right now.

    12 Broncos - Matthew Stafford probably doesn't have the ideal accuracy to run Josh
    McDaniels's offense, but unless they get a QB back from the upcoming Cutler trade, they're
    pretty desparate for a long-term solution. Hopefully for the Broncos, they'll pull a QB back from the trade and get some defensive help here.

    13 Redskins - If Andre Smith is here, he would appear to be a no-brainer.

    14 Saints - That sound you hear is Rey Maualuga music, bringing youth and talent to
    what might be the worst linebacking corps in the NFL.

    15 Texans - I think the Texans were probably looking at Maualuga here. Teammate Brian
    Cushing
    will have to suffice.

    16 Chargers - The Chargers really don't need anything right here. If another team is enamored with Freeman, this is the place to take him. The Bucs took a highly regarded QB last year, but that was Gruden's guy, so I guess it's possible. The Lions would be an option, but does Freeman fit over there -- probably not. So I guess AJ Smith stands pat and reaches for Tyson Jackson

    17 Jets - I see Freeman going here quite a bit, but I don't see it. Although the Jets needs are primarily on the offensive side, it's hard to see a Ryan use a first round pick on offense. Of course, none of the available defenders look to be Ryan types either. I have a feeling this spot could be the first round pick that nobody sees coming. A Brian Robiskie/Eben Britton/Hakeem Nicks/Eric Wood type of pick. What the heck, I'll say Eben Britton

    18 Bears - I suppose a reach for William Beatty is possible, but I think a dependable WR would be a nice find. Percy Harvin could instantly become the best WR on the team.

    19 Buccaneers - This pick will probably come down to their favorite defensive lineman.
    Peria Jerry

    20 Lions (From Dallas ) They need help at defensive tackle, so a slight reach for Ziggy
    Hood
    seems justified, as the drop off after him seems significant.

    21 Eagles - Are they high on Pettigrew? Does he provide an upgrade to Brent Celek? I'm not sure he does. What I do know is that Bryan Westbrook isn't getting younger or less fragile, and that Correll Buckhalter's gone. Chris Wells seems to be an ideal complement and can carry the load if need be.

    22 Vikings - Being in a division with the Bears and Lions, sometimes it's easy to forget that you need a cornerback upgrade. The pick is Vontae Davis.

    23 Patriots - I see Beatty, Sintim, Barwin, & DHB as candidates here. Seattle's on the phone offering #37 and next year's #2. BB really doesn't want to trade down that far. Seattle then calls back and offers #37 and next year's #1 for #23 and #199. The Patriots accept, even though #199 has a special place in the heart of Belichick. The Seahawks select Knowshown Moreno.

    24 Falcons - They've been missing their tight end since Alge left town, so Brandon
    Pettigrew
    makes sense here.

    25 Dolphins - I still can't believe they're drafting this low. Parcells doesn't reach, and he likes the big bodies, which leads me to project Connor Barwin to the man who once used a #4 pick on Willie McGinest.

    26 Ravens - Well, they've definitely got to replace all those defensive guys who've followed
    Ryan up I-95. They start with Clay Matthews

    27 Colts - With the top-rated DTs gone, Polian will do what Polian does and draft a "skill"
    position player, such as Hakeem Nicks

    28 Eagles (From Carolina) - William Beatty makes a lot of sense for the team of the
    aged and injured OTs.

    29 Giants - They need a receiver to replace Burress and contribute immediately. While they
    could take the tall kid out of the State University of New Jersey, or the highly-rated speedster, I think Brian Robiskie is the best candidate to step onto the field and contribute opening day, assuming they don't pull of a trade for Anquan Boldin or another veteran receiver.

    30 Titans - Tennessee could use a guy like DHB pretty badly, and I can see them weighing this against teams attempting to trade up into the first round, New England included. If they miss out on DHB, they'll have to settle for Britt, but perhaps they figure they can still get him at #34 given the teams in between. The Patriots, with an extra pick in the third feel comfortable giving up their fourth for a four-spot move. The Titans have a lot of critical needs (WR, DT, CB) and would probably like the pick. The Patriots trade into the pick, leaping ahead of two 3-4 defenses and select Clint Sintim.

    31 Cardinals - Well, with one more OLB off the board, who do they like best here? I really
    don't get too wrapped up in positions of need, but the Cards could really use two OLBs out of this draft. However, I expect Alex Mack is very high on their board, and this is a great place to take him.

    32 Steelers - The Champs are in pretty good shape to take the best player available for their system, and I'm guessing that it's Darius Butler
     
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    33 Lions - James Laurinaitis LB Ohio St
    34 Titans (From Kansas City via New England) Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
    35 Rams - Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
    36 Browns - Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest

    37 Patriots (From Seattle) - Top guys on my value board are Chung, Delmas, and Cook - in that order. I'm willing to gamble they'll be there at #47. OTs have been going quickly, and Jamon Meredith is the last of the upper-tier prospects.

    38 Bengals - Phil Loadholt OT Oklahoma
    39 Jaguars - Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
    40 Raiders - Aaron Maybin LB Penn St
    41 Packers - Ron Brace DT Boston College
    42 Bills - Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose St
    43 49ers - Michael Johnson LB Georgia Tech
    44 Dolphins (From Washington) - Sean Smith CB Utah
    45 Giants (From New Orleans) - Larry English LB Northern Illinois
    46 Texans - Max Unger C Oregon

    47 Patriots (From San Diego) - Safety, TE, and OG are my three options here...and there are multiple players available for each. Safety could conceivably get on the field a lot this year. But a seam-bursting TE might not be available 11 picks from now. Guard really won't be an immediate need if our OL stays healthy, so maybe that could wait until the third. I'm casting my lot with Jared Cook here and look for a safety at 58. He's our starting TE in 2010, and he should be an impact special teams player and spot-player until then. If Watson gets hurt, he could get a lot of reps.

    48 Broncos (From Texans) Paul Kruger LB Utah
    49 Bears - Josh Freeman QB Kansas St
    50 Browns (From Tampa Bay) - Donald Brown RB Connecticut
    51 Cowboys - Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
    52 Jets - Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
    53 Eagles - Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss
    54 Vikings - Eric Wood C Louisville
    55 Falcons - Marcus Freeman LB Ohio St
    56 Dolphins - Mike Thomas WR Arizona
    57 Ravens - DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt

    58 Patriots - I think it's safety time. I like Patrick Chung here, but it's conceivable the boss prefers Moore.

    59 Panthers - Fili Moala DT USC
    60 Giants - Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
    61 Colts - SenDerrick Marks DT Auburn
    62 Titans - Derrick Williams WR Penn St
    63 Cardinals - Andre Brown RB North Carolina St
    64 Steelers - Duke Robinson G Oklahoma

    65 Lions - Pat White QB West Virginia
    66 Rams - Louis Murphy WR Florida
    67 Chiefs - Lawrence Sidbury LB Richmond
    68 Seahawks - Will Moore S Missouri
    69 Cowboys (From Cleveland) - Jairus Byrd CB Oregon
    70 Bengals - Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas
    71 Raiders - Rashad Johnson S Alabama
    72 Jaguars - LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
    73 Packers - Dorell Scott DE Clemson
    74 Browns (From San Francisco) - Jaspar Brinkley LB South Carolina
    75 Bills - James Casey TE Rice
    76 Jets (From New Orleans)- Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St
    77 Texans - Darry Beckwith LB LSU
    78 Chargers - Andy Levitre G Oregon St
    79 Broncos - Alex Magee DE Purdue
    80 Redskins - Gerald McRath LB Southern Miss
    81 Buccaneers - Asher Allen CB Georgia
    82 Lions (From Dallas ) - Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
    83 Packers (From New York Jets) - Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
    84 Bears - Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia
    85 Eagles - Chip Vaughn S Wake Forest
    86 Vikings - Gerald Cadogan T Penn St
    87 Dolphins - Chase Coffman TE Missouri
    88 Ravens - Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly

    89 Patriots - Ideally, there would be a NT or ILB worth taking here. The top five guys on my board are DBs...and Coye Francies is tempting. Beyond them, I see Tyrone McKenzie, TJ Lang, and Antoine Caldwell, plus some nice WRs. I guess the question here is if McKenzie is a significantly better ILB prospect than Robert Francois or Antonio Appleby and worth passing up one of the DBs. Probably not, which means my board needs adjusting. After almost exhausting my allotted time, I select Coye Francies CB San Jose St as the best available value.

    90 Falcons - Sherrod Martin DB Troy
    91 Giants - Dannell Ellerbee LB Georgia
    92 Colts - Javon Ringer RB Michigan St
    93 Panthers - David Veikune DE Hawai'i
    94 Titans - Ricky-Jean Francois DT LSU
    95 Cardinals - Darcel McBath S Texas Tech
    96 Steelers - TJ Lang G Eastern Michigan

    97 Patriots - Well, not much has changed. TJ Lang is the only one to come off the board whom I was considering here, so once again, I'm left with McKenzie, Caldwell, AQ Shipley, WRs like Dillard, and some OLB prospects. There are few people in this draft whom you can feel confident in their on-field performance, measurables, and pedigree. Shipley's one of them, and if I thought he could play guard, I'd put his name on the card. Unfortunately, I think he's stuck at center, and I'm happy with Hochstein as a backup there. Instead I'm going WR, and drafting Jarrett Dillard WR Rice.

    98 Bengals - Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
    99 Bears - Austin Collie WR BYU
    100 Giants - Troy Kropog OT Tulane

    Pats Recap:
    #30 Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
    #37 Jamon Meredith OL South Carolina
    #47 Jared Cook TE South Carolina
    #58 Patrick Chung S Oregon
    #89 Coye Francies CB San Jose St
    #97 Jarrett Dillard WR Rice

    Plus Seattle's #1 in 2010.
     
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    Good work. Do you think we'll take 4 TEs into the season?
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me, and I don't think it would be the first time in recent years. That being said, I could see one of Baker or Thomas being cut.

    The new kickoff return rules seem to favor athletic big guys like Cook, so he could make the team as primarily a special teamer instead of a guy like Alexander, in which case carrying 4 TEs is no problem.
     
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    Great job!

    My one quibble is what would be Seatle's reasoning for trading up that high? The 4 teams after the Pats wouldn't seem to have a need for RB and you already have the Eagles taking one at 21.
     
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    Because Belichick is going to tell Holmgren that Indy, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have all talked to him about trading into that pick. If Moreno gets to 23, I think some surprise teams would be interested into taking a run at him. Seattle is pretty desparate. Of course, they could trade into #22 just as easily.
     
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    And Holmgren will tell Bill "update your rolodex" ;)
     
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    Wow.... Great effort, dryheat!

    The "draft Barwin" crowd is handing out pitchforks and lanterns...

    It's a draft I could definitely get excited about....:cool:
     
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    Amazing about of effort, good job.

    For the reading challenged:
    Pats Recap:
    #30 Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
    #37 Jamon Meredith OL South Carolina
    #47 Jared Cook TE South Carolina
    #58 Patrick Chung S Oregon
    #89 Coye Francies CB San Jose St
    #97 Jarrett Dillard WR Rice

    Plus Seattle's #1 in 2010.
     
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    I'm not buying. I strongly prefer DE and OG to Meredith and Cook.

    And yes, Cook would be expected to beat out one of the TE's. That is the point of drafting upgrades.

    We carried 10 receivers last year, with four of them top special teamers: Slater, Washington, Aiken and Ventrone. I don't see that changing much. Lewis has replaced Washington.

    Cook has stiff competition if he is going to be the 4th TE and make the team as a special teamer.
     
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    Good job sir. I think I prefer Casey to Cook, Moore to Chung and Collie to Dillard that are all available on your board. Just an opinion.
    DW Toys
     
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    Well, it was a fun few hours.
     
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    Pats Recap:
    #30 Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
    #37 Jamon Meredith OL South Carolina
    #47 Jared Cook TE South Carolina
    #58 Patrick Chung S Oregon
    #89 Coye Francies CB San Jose St
    #97 Jarrett Dillard WR Rice

    Plus Seattle's #1 in 2010.




    This would be a great draft. Nice job
     
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    I like getting someone's #1 next year, but not at the expense of #23, and maybe not even for #34, unless the move-down is < a dozen spots. This draft is too deep, and too important for the future of this franchise (I am not exaggerating), to trade any of our first 4 picks without getting the same # of picks in return, and in the same range.
     
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    Agree pretty much word for word. DE will be a priority in this years draft assuming that Seymour might not be around in the future. Drafting his replacement now makes alot of sense in that he will be ready to take over in 2010. I believe that guy to be Jarron Gilbert DE SJSU..This guy is a physical freak and IMO a future all pro in the 5 technique at DE. OG is also a concern as Mankins and Neal as of right now are not locked up long term. I believe we keep Mankins, let Neal walk and draft his replacement this year in Andy Levitre from Oregon St. Levitre has that versatiliy on the OL that belichick and co loves. We can look TE on Day 2.
     
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    All well and good, but you seem to be suggesting Belichick reach for players of positional need regardless of value, and we know he doesn't do that. I don't see any need to fixate on a particular position.
     
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    Im leaning towards trading down from #23 as well .. with so much value between sat #20 and #40 I can see us trading down and getting a first next year
     
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    Of course Belichick doesn't "reach" for a particular position. That is by definition. Others thought he reached with Graham, Watson, and Mankins, not to mention Wheatley.

     
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    I was one of those others who thought that. IMO, Bill's done a fair bit of reaching the last 3/5 years.
     
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    The only one of those four you could say was a positional "reach" was Graham. But the Patriots of 2001 are a far cry from the 2004-2009 editions.

    Watson wasn't a positional reach. If Belechick put a lot of emphasis on position, tight end would have been off the board after already spending a #1+ on a starter. Or at the very least, a late-round pick. Watson is the best example of anti-reaching...taking whom you believe to be the best player available.

    Mankins was considered by many to be a "reach" but not because he was an offensive lineman. He was a "reach" the same way some pundits thought Branch and Johnson were "reaches"...some "experts" expected them to be drafted considerably later.

    Those two in particular, and you could throw various others in the mix (Matt Light, Ellis Hobbs, Eugene Wilson) were drafted because they were the best value on Belichick's board...which tends not to match up with Mel Kiper's.

    If Belichick thinks that Gilbert or whomever is the best value available at #34, I have no doubt he'll be drafted. I absolutely do not believe that Belichick is going to commit #34 or any pick to draft a defensive end. There's no need to...We have four healthy, productive DEs on the roster now. On day two of the draft there will be better values (IMO) on the board, like Corvey Irvin, John Gill, or Nader Abdallah than to go off the value board to take one in particular. If Seymour and/or Green need to move on next year, then we'll use next offseason to address it.
     
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