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The Truth is Adam did not want to be here period

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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    Do you really think he would go to Indy for a measly 500,000 more in which he could have cleaned up in endorsements, and then some... ?? No Simply put he had a nice run here , he help won us 3 super bowls, but just did not want to be here... If he did he would have signed a deal with us months ago... Sorry to say ,but he just did not want to be a Patriot.. That is sad, and this one will hurt a lot more than Willie or Givens....
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    the question that needs to be answered is why did he not want to be here.
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    Excellent point.
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    but Willie hurt way more IMO
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    It doesn't matter why-- just what. He had made up his mind to leave. Period. Once one party decides to leave a relationship, the other party can not do a thing. What is of concern is that so many other players have left or are angling to leave.
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    Dont think so Dave , Willie probably had 1 to 2 good yrs left, Adam had a good 4 or 5 in him maybee more.. But its not the same without him...
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    willy is more valuable, somone who plays every down, or some one who plays in like ten plays a game. Like that other post pointed out, he has not had stellar years the past two years. Games should not be left up to the kicker any way, we should be good enough to win every game with out him, which may be bb thinking. Makes sense.
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    That's ridiculous. That question implies that we should blame the team or the coaches or ourselves. Maybe he was just tired of all the adulation, and couldn't insulate himself and his family well enough from it on kicker money.
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    Sorry, I meant Willie hurt more to me personally. Heartbreaker, but they made him an offer he could'nt refuse.
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    Here's wild theory. He's done all that he could do in N.E. and it won't ever get any better. If he goes to Indy and he helps them win a Super Bowl, he's a hero in two cities.
    He's got to ask himself, if the game's (or the SB or a playoff) on the line who would you rather have behind center getting you into FG range, TB or Peyton??????
    Thanks for the memories anyhow.............
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    Putting reports together for a possible answer.

    1. Reported Adam has had a back problem. Maybe worst than is known.

    2. PATs offered him contract to make him highest paid PK in the league
    but WITHOUT any guaranteed money.

    Maybe Adam knows his back is questionable for the future and decided to go
    the team that would guarantee him the most money. That simple.

    PATs knowing his condition just couldn't guarantee the money and it was
    just a plain unemotional logical business decision.
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    adam not wanting to be here was obvious. i have no problems with him taking this decision but he didnt exactly conduct business with the pats in FA very openly which is what bothers me. now after a few weeks after the signing , he will appear on espn and talk about his version of the negiotiations and in the end talk about "dis respect" "surprised" etc...when he himself was more than glad to go to the orlando paper and sign off before FA started.
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    Ted Johnson said on WEEI when he was filling in one Saturday that AV was not happy about being franchised. There is a possibility that he was unhappy/bitter about it and make the decision to move on.
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    How do you know he did not deal with the "pats in FA very openly? Do you have inside information?
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    I don't think he wanted to stay here either, I don't know why, I just feel that way.
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    Certainly this is possible...makes much sense..but I think the future will let us know IF it is a physical thing. We knew about hos back problems ..which wasn't his best year..and I remember hearing about them last year...Again, the brain trust in NE keeps these things quiet...I think this may be part of it...NOT all..no way to know.
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    I really think that's your answer. I don't think its a whole lot more complicated than that.
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    what do we know for sure?

    as i recall the patriots had promised AV that he would not be franchised this offseason. he was not franchised.
    had he been franchised, he & patriots would have been tied together for another year (2006-07) at the franchise player average of top 3(?) kickers' salaries. that figure was estimated at $3.25 million, more than the Dolts paid to get AV.
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    Adam signed for 2.5 million yearly average to kick in a dome and possibly extend his career. Bellichick and Pioli franchised him twice without signing him longterm. It is a great risk on the kicker's career for them to be franchised. One bad turn of a foot, a torn acl or a late hit can doom their career. I think Adam left because he was slighted by the New England franchising. Yes they offered him the highest contract for a kicker but none of it was gauranteed after the signing bonus, that's a slap in the face to the most "clutch" kicker in the NFL with 2 Superbowl winning kicks. He was a great player for the Patriots but they didn't think he deserved it. Considering the Colts were paying Vanderjagt 2.5 million in his last year and had to carry a kickoff specialist because he couldn't handle both jobs, it just made sense to sign Adam and free up an extra roster spot if he can get better distance than Vanderjagt. Even if the Colts decide to carry a KO specialist, it's still an upgrade getting Adam over Vanderjagt. I think it was a good move for the Colts. I also think it's just the Patriots' philosophy to not overpay for a player. I don't believe Adam is overpayed at 2.5 million a year. He's the top kicker in the league. If Vanderjagt had gotten us to the Superbowl and punched it through for a win then I'd be saying the same about him. He's had several chances to prove his worth, and he did not come through.

    I understand how some of you say he isn't worth it and that you don't like him anymore because he's a Colt. When a player leaves the Colts to play for the paycheck, he immediatly becomes an enemy. That's part of the game.
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    Great summary, all around. Really good points regarding the risks Adam was exposed to as a franchised kicker. That had never even occurred to me!
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    Just a few points:

    1. No guaranteed money in PATs offer means NOT even a Signing Bonus
    which is guaranteed money.

    2. If PATs know he has a bad back which makes him a high risk for a multiple
    year contract then why would they offer guaranteed money? That's not
    a slap in the face that would be good business practice.

    3. Even if he WAS the most clutch kicker if he can't kick it's meaninless.
    PATs don't pay because of "WHAT YOU DID" they pay for what they think
    a player WILL DO going forward.

    Since we have do not have access to the information that BB/SP used
    to make this decision, the best we can do is trust the team that brought
    us Patriots Fans Three(3) Superbowls. I do.
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    Using Occam's Razor

    A few people have mentioned that the Pats offered him the highest salary but wouldn't guarantee any of it. There may be ego factors involved in rejecting that kind of deal but the simplest explanation has been stated: His back is too risky to pay him upfront money. He knows it. They know it The Colts are more of a gambling organization so they are willing to bet his back holds up.
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    "after the signing bonus," it reads, meaning that was the only guaranteed money (some contracts will have other portions guaranteed).
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    Absolutely True!!
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    So what some of you are saying is that it didn't matter that he was such a clutch kicker before, that the front office not choosing to give him more guaranteed money because he might have a back problem is okay. That tells me that it was fine for him to move on after playing with no guarantees under the franchise tag. Teams can't have it both ways. They can't say that they get to keep a player until they deem them not worthy. That's what makes free agency so great. Considering the Patriots are a team that is built from veterans after the cash dries up in free agency, I think this point would be obvious.

    The Patriots offered him a contract with little guaranteed money.

    The Colts offered him a contract with a lot of guaranteed money, the opportunity to play in a dome to increase his percentages and the ability to extend his career considering he is in the lowest paid position in the NFL.

    Some of you talk about loyalty but if a player is doing bad then you can't kick them out the door fast enough (ex. Duane Starks). But if a player is doing well then he should stay at a reduced salary to retire as a Patriot because we gave him the chance to succeed. Maybe just maybe, he gave the Patriots the chance to succeed.

    If the roles were reversed and a company came and offered you a job that guaranteed your salary with a raise with the possibility of extended your career over the company that you worked for now that said they would just continue to pay you but nothing was guaranteed, you would go to the new company.

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