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    As much as she is innapropriate, and needs to be punished.. maybe she should start by learning how to control a class...

    Is is good that students can tape the goings on in a classroom??? Seems that this could lead to a slippery slope and infrindge upon her or any teacher's rights and possibly be illegal.

    Seems as though kids will be gaining a lot of power if this is allowed, apparently they did not bother with a chain of command.. and unintended consequences may ensue... can you imagine the threats in a classroom...

    Going viral with a video is not the best way to proceed in an adult child relationship.. could have been handled differently, with the same outcome.

    However there is great tolerance for this type of thing in this modern O'Keefian world, where the means justify the ends.. situational ethics.

    North Carolina Recording Law | Citizen Media Law Project

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    Well you are right the kids were very rude. It also appears that the student who got her to go off the deep end set her up and taping the incident was planned.

    The reason is that this Social Studies teacher was using her classroom to push her agenda. This is wrong to do in a classroom. Perhaps the kids know the administration would do nothing to this teacher for trying to brainwash the kids.
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    You do not really know this.. this setting sounds like one where hysteria is the order of the day and it could be rampant throughout the school.

    Very concerned about social media and its usage, everytime something happens do things need to go viral?? Kids might be better served to put away the phones and do class work..
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    According to the kid this sort of partisan trashing was normal.
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    Here is the 9 minute video of this.

    Teacher yells at student because of a question he asked about Obama! - YouTube

    This woman does not have control of her class. She is clearly an obama supporter while the kid she was arguing with was saying that if you bash one side then you should bash the other side. Also, this woman has no true facts. You cannot be arrested for bashing the president. If that was the case then more than half americans would be in jail during bush's tenure and Obama's. Hell, I would be in jail for the amount I bash obama!
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    Question your children about their teachers, liberals are hell bent on turning the world into a planet of grinning moonbeam saps having sex with trees.

    Liberal teachers have infiltrated all of America's schools, they desperately want the Young Minds "as the twig is bent so grows the tree"
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    where are all the conservative teachers?
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    According to the kid who is empowered because of social media, now what can go wrong here????

    The inmates take over the asylum.. something very wrong here.
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    This Nasty Left Wing Nut Teacher bit off a little more than she could chew, the Kid that kicked her ass is becoming a National Hero, while she is becoming America's "Piece Of Sh!t Of The Year"

    She should be stoned (not with weed but with sidewalk bricks)
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    So if the teacher hadn't been behaving this way, how did he know to have his friend record the incident?

    Her behavior was horrible, you wonder how many classrooms does this sort of thing take place in.
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    For every poor teacher, there are a whole lot more really good ones..

    Do not think that they should be selectively monitored by children, who lack the maturity and judgement, with Iphones... the teacher has some rights as well.

    That is the role of principals, the student should have gone to the principal first.. just going viral on anything is not a very good answer. What has been learned here by the students is to disrupt the class, push the teachers buttons, get her riled up and then go viral with a video.. probably ruin her career.

    This is the type of thing that will have long term unintended consequences, and falsely empowers children...

    Secretly videotaping people is also against the law.. permission is needed.
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    Encourage your children to inform you of their Teachers Indoctronational Left Wing Brainwashing Bullsh!t.

    Don't allow your child to be turned into a Socialist, dear God protect them from these darascutons, tell your children that a Landfill Station is really "a f-cking dump"
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    Darryl - I could be misreading the NC Law you provided in a post on page 1, but in reading that (the one party consent law), arent these kids protected by that?

    Im not arguing for kids posting classroom stuff to youtube, but presumably the kid in the having the conversation would have known his buddy was recording, those the one party consenting to it had been met?? As long as the buddy knew, it doesn't matter one iota if the teacher knew.

    As I said, I am not a legal scholar, so I could easily be reading the law wrong.

    EDIT - As for the idea of teachers bringing their personal political beliefs to the classroom, well I view that as an age appropriate thing. The younger kids should be in an classroom devoid of political opinions and agendas. They are their to learn fundamental concepts. In HS, a much more appropriate venue for debate.
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    I would certainly disagree with that. As a parent I want my children educated not indoctrinated.

    There is a power imbalance between the teacher and student that would preclude the student from having true freedom of expression free from reprisals (ie the teacher controlling grades). This is a situation that is primed for abuse by the teacher.


    I wish in HS kids actually got fundamental concepts.
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    Kids go to school to learn how to read and write, their time shouldn't be wasted having to listen to stinking filthy political sh!t from some whacko dirtbag with a political agenda.
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    Politics, like many subjects other than reading and writing, are worthy of discussion in schools.

    It starts with US History as well as "Current Events" classes or sections of classes.

    But any decent teacher should avoid interjecting personal opinions or, if they offer their own views, should be including opposing views as well. Obviously this was not a good teacher.

    btw, I hope you also have this view when school boards are trying to edit US History, teach religion as biology, etc.
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    13 - I think politics/history can be discussed in the classroom, assuming the students are of an age to understand and partake in the conversation.

    Where I draw the line is similar to what chico hit on - where the teacher is passing their personal opinions off on the kids, while ignoring the entirety of the discussion (ie opinions the teacher may not have).

    Civil discussion is a worthwhile concept which kids could learn, much like they should learn about history, math, finance, english etc etc etc.

    If a teacher holds a kids opinion against them, then that is on the teacher, and should be dealt with accordingly.

    For example (anecdote alert) in my 8th grade History class we had a debate. The topic was "Should the US have dropped the Atom Bomb on Japan in WW2".

    At the opening of the discussion, I was one of three people with a "yes" vote. Our teacher, a very liberal, peace corp kid in his youth, let each side make their point/s regarding their stance on the issue, with the allowance for people to change their vote based on the debate.

    By the end of the debate, through my debate points, I "had" got all but 1 kid to change their opinion to yes, simply based on what I understood on the history of the subject.

    In my status card that semester (a note sent home to parents to keep them appraised of how their kid is doing to that point in time in between report card time), Mr. Vahey, wrote that he had legitimate fears that "your son Drew could easily be the next Hitler. His powers of persuasion to get the entire class to change their opinion of a horrible event in history should be watched closely as he goes through HS"

    Teachers should allow debate and discussion on politics and history in their classroom. They should not ridicule or put down opinions which they do not share, nor should they grade students who have a different opinion differently than they do the ones they agree with.
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    I would differentiate between history and current events. In the case of history the issues are less emotional and personal opinions are not nearly as likely to come into play.



    How does one stop the teacher from letting their biases get in the way.

    My kids had a few occasions where the teacher's biases drove the conversation.




    OTOH I was suspended for pointing out in jr high that the US allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor so we could enter the war. And this was 20 years after the war had ended.

    Perhaps with current technology classes could be recorded so parents can review what is being told to their kids?
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    Isn't it easier to keep biases from getting in the way if you know what the biases are?

    If a teacher gives a kid a C on a well-written, well-reasoned paper that disagrees with the teacher's own view on a matter, it would be a good indication that their bias influenced things.

    Most teachers and then professors I had were good about this. (I had one college professor who clearly would accept no pov that put the US or certain departments in a bad light. Most students knew this, would give their arguments against him in class and then would write papers / exam answers to get the grade they wanted by giving him the answers he wanted. It was bs, but at least we knew the game.)
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    There are so many things the kids could be learning that aren't topics that would lead to controversy, especially given the poor state of education in America. No need.


    My daughter had a prof who wouldn't accept any dissenting POV, she was a feminist, after she had a paper get hammered I advised her to just regurgitate the profs feminist bs, she did and got a A. Total waste of time and money but she needed the credits.
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    :eek:
    She was a femininist who regurgitated the profs feminist bs.....:confused::confused::confused::confused:

    That is very surprising, as anyone I know on that level of education usually supports and relishes dissent or minimally a different POV...

    Getting back to the topic at hand, falsely empowering children to videotape children is flat out wrong.. think of all of the possibilities in a work setting or other setting.

    Wasn't one of the issues associated with Nazi Germany, the Nazi's provided praise and adulation for kids turning in their teachers and parents???? Turn in a liberal it is your patriotic duty.
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    Well since the education establishment is owned by the left wing I don't imagine you would notice the problem. My daughter is libertarian in her POV and it caused a problem. Her paper which didn't tow the acceptable POV got a D the other papers which conformed got A's, while the course was a waste of time perhaps my daughter learned a lot about the lack of tolerance in left wing academia.



    A teacher should be saying or doing anything they would be afraid of the school board or parents seeing.

    The communist and Nazi's of course wanted a POV that conformed to the administration used to indoctrinate school children. In America we should oppose indoctrination.

    YMMV
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    I don't think it's either / or.

    Look, this woman certainly appears to be a bad teacher. But good teachers can and should teach current events. high school kids should understand what's going on in politics and what some of the more important issues are and, yes, what some of the more controversial issues are.

    (what grade level was this?)
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    Freshman in college.


    But in HS there was a teacher peddling the algore movie in biology class (sophmore) and other cases of agenda's being pushed.


    Ideology has no place in public school but it is there far too often.

    If the teaching establishment were politically aligned with Rush Limbaugh instead of Nancy Pelosi some people would be screaming bloody murder.
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    Bad teachers / professors here and there are hardly damning of all academia.

    Where are the conservative teachers?
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    OK, so in college I don't think there's any question that professors can and should have their own personal views. The issue is how they put them out and how they handle dissent.

    Good professors (hell, even bad ones) welcome dissent, as they want debate in class. Many professors will take viewpoints they don't believe in so that there might be more discussion.

    This was a bad professor / instructor. Hopefully she won't be one for much longer.

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