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  1. tanked_as_usual

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    he has 29 czars!!!! (although I think there are 32 now)

    1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
    2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
    3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
    4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
    5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
    6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
    7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
    8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
    9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
    10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
    11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
    12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
    13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
    14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
    15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
    16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
    17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
    18. John Holdren-Science Czar
    19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
    20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
    21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
    22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
    23. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
    24. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
    25. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
    26. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
    27. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar
    28. Lynn Rosenthal-Violence Against Women Czar
    29. Steve Rattner-Car Czar.....except that Rattner just resigned because he wanted to spend more time with his money.......replace by none other than Ron Bloom, former UAW adviser..........kiss the US auto industry goodbye

    so basically, Obama has recruited a bunch of henchmen to go around telling people 'if you don't do what I say, Obamaman will beat you up
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    How many did Bush have? Most of those offices were in place by Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush, not Obama...
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    Should have put your source about where this list comes from...

    There are not 32 czars, there are between 12 and 18 dependent on the source.. Fox says 18....

    Without regard could never understand the affinity for using the word "Czar or even Czarina" to describe an american in a power position...

    Maybe it is reciprocation for Gorbachev's Glastnost..
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    "Czar" is misapplied in it...the official titles of "director", "supervisor", "administrator", "secretary" would all apply to a number of the list of names...
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    Czar is a synonym for all of these titles??? do not understand.
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    It's a default nickname for them...
    For example thes "Drug Czar" is the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy and the "Aids Czar" is the Director of the Office of National AIDS Policy, the "Economic Czar" is the Chairman of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board etc.
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    Typically in the news media, it means either a position without portfolio, or a new position, encompassing policy responsibility for crosscutting programs. Hence, if you have a guy overseeing automotive industry policy, and previously different pieces of that policy were in a bunch of different hands (or nonexistent before as government policy areas), you brand the new guy the "car czar."

    You'll notice that the automotive industry had hummed along in different stages of "business as usual" until very recently, at which point we can fairly say the industry was in crisis.

    So government policy that interacts with said new situation is grouped under one office for more effective policy handling of that situation.

    How do fringies simultaneoulsy complain that government is "inefficient" (always unsubstantiated,) and complain if government has a new feature aimed at efficiency? :confused2:

    I sure wouldn't want one guy arguing for business (Dept of Commerce,) one guy arguing for labor rights (DOL,) one guy arguing for better roads (DoTransp., Fed. Highway Admin.,) one guy arguing that railways should take over for urban and suburban transit anyway (DoTransp., Fed. Transit Admin.,) and one guy talking about taxpayer costs (Dept. of Treas.,) on a conference call on every tiny decision having to do w/the auto sector.

    Another example: Now that the govt. is involved in so many finance firms, and people are pissed that huge bonuses have been paid on the public dime, we have a compensation (pay) czar. There was not previously a need for it, before Paulson/Bush steered us to socialism in this regard last fall. That example has also continued under Obama's watch. So how could there be a "pay czar" before Bush infused government oversight directly into private enterprise?

    I emphasize Bush's role here, by the way, not because I think inaction would be better, but because the fringies are all frothing over current policy, which is essentially policy tailored to 1) solve the crisis created under previous administrations, and in the longer term 2) to create sustainable (real) growth... and frothing over it as if it occured in a vacuum on Jan. 21, 2009.

    At any rate, the standard use of the word is to discuss a person whose position deals with a specific area of policy. It's usually a new policy area, like government auto-sector economic policy, or compensation policy in nationalized or semi-nationalized companies.

    To characterize anybody with decision-making power over a certain topic to be the [Topic]-czar is a broadening of the term in some silly scare tactic that's apparently in vogue on the right wing.

    So I'm sure now the guy who arranges for printer paper delivery in a government office is now the "Paper Czar" according to this new convention. Fun game. Play along at home.

    zzzzzzz.

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    By the way, the list is pretty hastily prepared too.

    So if all the above figures are actually playing the role as discussed above -- i.e., performing cross-cutting functions that are not seen as permanent positions (yet) because they are in response to ad-hoc problems -- shouldn't we be honest about, or take the time to correctly identify, their own bailiwick?

    I notice for example that you have Carol Browner as an "Energy Czar." That makes little sense, since we have a cabinet-level department of energy.

    Turns out she's considered a "Climate Czar(ina)," depending on whether the writer in question is attempting to be gender neutral.

    Would you prefer a cabinet-level Department of Climate? That way she could be the Secretary of Climate. Then she wouldn't be on the "Czar" list.

    Worked so well with Homeland Security, right?

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    This czar stuff is really getting out of control. I first heard the term used by the Bush Administration, so this isn't an Obama thing. He's got 30 from what I understand, so maybe he's taken what the previous guy did, and poured napalm on it. It's what the guy before him did, and the guy before that...
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    all of those people could fall under one of the cabinet which have a certain amount of autonomy ........ but they don't simply to make them direct reports to the prez .......... transparency? its the opposite

    and its a circumvention of the constitution in stepping outside of the cabinet positions

    where is the blame bush czar?
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    if it was wrong then, it is wrong now........this reduces transparency

    so much for change
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    Its actually really simple. This is just Obama's way of helping to reduce the unemployment rate. Add on the 20 staffers that help out Queen Michelle and we have a nice start.
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    Actually they all directly report to the President, they are under the executive office. Only two on the list, the "trade czar" and "economic czar", are cabinet level officials. The "drug czar" used to be, but Obama dropped him down a notch.

    There is no circumvention, it's up to Congress to establish what are cabinet level positions and what are not and to establish which positions require confirmation and what do not and decide what belongs under what office and what does not.

    Don't need one, Congress does that job already.
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    Blame Joe Biden, he's the one who made it stick 25 years ago. It's been used for 35 years since the first drug "czar" was named under Nixon.
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    Do we need a Blame Joe Biden Czar too? :D
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    sure there is......none of these czars need to be confirmed by congress, and yet they remove responsibilities that would fall under cabinet positions......it absolutely is a circumvention
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    Except it's the truth...it stuck for good when Biden used it in 1982 used it to describe the President's drug advisor:

    October 9th, 1982 edition of the New York Times U.S. PLANS A NEW DRIVE ON NARCOTICS - Free Preview - The New York Times
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    #87 Jersey

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    Do we have a forum Czar?
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    Actually most need to be, and those that do are confirmed by the Senate lest a scandal or something else come up to derail or force a hasty withdrawal of the nomination :rolleyes:

    Do you actually know what the heck any of those "czar" positions are or are you just spouting off?

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