The reason why Marquise Hill is still on this team

[pats1]

Mike Wright who's an undrafted FA is getting playing time before Hill.

That would be like saying Artrell Hawkins is better than Laurence Maroney because Hawkins gets playing time before him.

Apples and oranges. Wright gets playing time because either (A) Wilfork is hurt or (B) The Pats switch to a 4-3. Wright is the 2nd NT, and Hill is the 4th DE.

No I don't expect him to beat out any of the big 3 but by this time he should be dressing more than a couple of times a year and seeing some snaps.

You're directly contradicting yourself here. You don't expect him to beat out Seymour, Warren, or Green, yet you expect him to dress? How does this work? 3 DEs dress on gamedays. PERIOD.

I still wouldn't get rid of him but he's a major disappointment at this point.

Sure. But it's asinine to say that because Hill "sucks." It would more accurate to say that because of the play and status of the guys in front of him (Green, Warren, Seymour!)

We need to stop grouping the NT and DE into one.

 

[ATippett56]

But it wasn't Marquise's fault, it was however wanted to draft another DL in the 2nd round.

Meanwhile, the New England Patriots could have selected defensive end Shaun Phillips from Purdue instead of Marquise Hill in the 2004 NFL draft.

 

[pats1]

Meanwhile, the New England Patriots could have selected defensive end Shaun Phillips from Purdue instead of Marquise Hill in the 2004 NFL draft.

And he would have been moved to OLB, as he is in San Diego.

And chances are, Colvin, Vrabel, and McGinest would have something to say about that...

 

[spacecrime]

-Any player the Pats replace Marquise with will do the exact same thing as he does: be inactive nearly every week.

Mike Wright has replaced Hill, and he isn't inactive every week.

-Would you rather have a 2nd round draft pick with potential filling your emergency role or someone along the lines of Eddie Freeman or Santonio Thomas?

Santonio Thomas. Who wants a guy because he was a second round pick? Would you rather have a second round pick with potential (Bethel Johnson) or someone along the lines of David Givens, who was drafted late in the seventh round?

 

[everlong]

You're directly contradicting yourself here. You don't expect him to beat out Seymour, Warren, or Green, yet you expect him to dress? How does this work? 3 DEs dress on gamedays. PERIOD.

Mike Wright dressed every game and plays DE as well as NT.

Smith dressed 3 games and Hill only 4 which should speak volumes about Hill's progress, Period.

 

[pats1]

Mike Wright has replaced Hill, and he isn't inactive every week.

Mike Wright has replaced Hill?

When was Hill the backup NT?

Wright is active because he is the backup NT.

Santonio Thomas. Who wants a guy because he was a second round pick? Would you rather have a second round pick with potential (Bethel Johnson) or someone along the lines of David Givens, who was drafted late in the seventh round?

If Santonio Thomas beats out Marquise Hill, he beats him out. It really won't make a difference. We're kidding ourselves if we think the potential of a 4th DL on this Pats line really matters. Whoever wins out is just a filler player. If the time ever comes for that 4th DE to get significant playing time, I'd prefer the player who has been in the system 3 years and presumably would make the most of his chance to show off the stuff that got him drafted.

Quite honestly, we've delved beyond the threshold of mattering.

 

[everlong]

Sure. But it's asinine to say that because Hill "sucks." It would more accurate to say that because of the play and status of the guys in front of him (Green, Warren, Seymour!)

We need to stop grouping the NT and DE into one.

Many of these guys can play NT or DE, although they are generally better at one. I never said he sucked I said he's been disappointing to this point.

 

[ATippett56]

And he would have been moved to OLB, as he is in San Diego.

And chances are, Colvin, Vrabel, and McGinest would have something to say about that...

How long did it take Bruschi to develop into a first string linebacker in the NFL?

 

[pats1]

Mike Wright dressed every game and plays DE as well as NT.

Wright dresses because he backs up Wilfork.

Wright has seen limited time at DE when Green, Seymour or Warren has needed a breather. You don't activate Hill to do this job. You use somebody that is already active, and Wright is the best ACTIVE player to do this job. But that doesn't change the fact he is active as backup NT.

Smith dressed 3 games and Hill only 4 which should speak volumes about Hill's progress, Period.

With all due respect, please get a clue.

Smith was active 3 games because Wilfork was hurt as many games. When Wilfork and Wright are active, Smith isn't. When Wright or Wilfork gets hurt, Smith is active. When both get hurt, the Pats either improvise or sign somebody.

If Seymour, Warren, or Green get hurt, Hill is active. When two are hurt, Hill is still active and gets increased playing time. When 3 or more are hurt, the Pats either improvise or sign somebody.

Do you notice how these are COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT situations?!?!?

Simply put, Le Kevin Smith being active or inactive has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on whether Marquise Hill is active or not.

Marquise Hill is not a NT. Le Kevin Smith is not a DE.

 

[BelichickFan]

They won't draft a NT in the 1st round. No way in hell.

I forget the source but supposedly Belichick was interested in trading up for Ngata last year if he'd slid a little further.

 

[pats1]

I forget the source but supposedly Belichick was interested in trading up for Ngata last year if he'd slid a little further.

I'm not sure about that one. Still, that's pre-Le Kevin Smith.

 

[BelichickFan]

Meanwhile, the New England Patriots could have selected defensive end Shaun Phillips from Purdue instead of Marquise Hill in the 2004 NFL draft.

The killer is that according to Curran the night before the draft, the Patriots wanted Bob Sanders but the Colts took him a dozen or so picks earlier so we ended up with Hill :bricks:

 

[everlong]

You can continue to defend your binky and put things in caps and large letters to try and prove you're correct but at the end of the day Hill as a number two pick should be able to dress more than 4 times in a year.

 

[pats1]

How long did it take Bruschi to develop into a first string linebacker in the NFL?

A good 3 years.

With that said, Todd Collins, Chris Slade, and Dwayne Sabb aren't exactly Rosevelt Colvin, Willie McGinest, or Mike Vrabel.

 

[pats1]

You can continue to defend your binky and put things in caps and large letters to try and prove you're correct but at the end of the day Hill as a number two pick should be able to dress more than 4 times in a year.

Congratulations for completely missing the point.

I accept your concession.

 

[pats1]

The killer is that according to Curran the night before the draft, the Patriots wanted Bob Sanders but the Colts took him a dozen or so picks earlier so we ended up with Hill :bricks:

Speaking of Colts safeties, Antoine Bethea was taken the pick after Le Kevin Smith.

:bricks:

 

[everlong]

Congratulations for completely missing the point.

I accept your concession.

Congratulations on being a ****.

 

[pats1]

Congratulations on being a ****.

Can't follow up that rock-solid proof.

 

[everlong]

Can't follow up that rock-solid proof.

I'm glad we found middle ground and can agree on that.

 

[ATippett56]

A good 3 years.

With that said, Todd Collins, Chris Slade, and Dwayne Sabb aren't exactly Rosevelt Colvin, Willie McGinest, or Mike Vrabel.

With that said, McGinest wasn't exactly a spring chicken in 2004 and Colvin was rehabbing from a serious hip injury.