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    From (Jim Caldwell's elevation to Ravens offensive coordinator paying off in big way - NFL - Don Banks - SI.com)

    "If you haven't noticed, John Harbaugh's Ravens are in the AFC Championship game for the third time in five years because Caldwell's resurgent offense is getting the job done in uncharacteristically explosive fashion. Caldwell's work has been masterful so far, and if Baltimore is able to upset host New England Sunday night and earn its first Super Bowl berth in 12 years, it'll likely be because the Ravens offense was able to match the powerful Patriots offense point for point.

    The facts speak for themselves and underline the effect Caldwell has had, at least since his mulligan-like first game as Baltimore's play-caller, a 34-17 home loss to Denver in Week 15, just six days after he took over for the dismissed Cameron. In the past three games in which Baltimore's starters have played the whole way (not counting a meaningless Week 17 loss at Cincinnati), here's what the Ravens have produced:

    -- In Week 16 at home against the Giants, the Ravens rolled up 533 yards of offense in the 33-14 division-title-clinching win, the third-most in franchise history. Baltimore ran for a season-high 225 yards against New York, with Ray Rice and rookie Bernard Pierce both topping 100 yards.

    -- In the first round of the playoffs against the Colts, Baltimore hung up a franchise-playoff-record 439 yards of offense in the 24-9 win, with quarterback Joe Flacco throwing for 282 yards and two touchdowns on just 12 completions (23.5 average), and the Pierce-led ground game contributing 170 yards.

    -- And in Saturday's epic 38-35 upset of the top-seeded Broncos in Denver, the Ravens again set a franchise playoff record with 479 yards of offense, gouging a Broncos defense that during the regular season had ranked second in yards allowed and fourth in points surrendered. The dagger, of course, was that 70-yard game-tying strike from Flacco to receiver Jacoby Jones with 31 seconds remaining in regulation. Flacco wound up with 331 yards passing and touchdown passes of 32, 59 and 70 yards, and Rice added 131 yards and a touchdown on the ground."

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    Ok let's look at these numbers, which on the face of it are very impressive. First, the Giants were TERRIBLE down the stretch. In weeks 14, 15, and 16, they allowed:

    - 27, 34, and 33 points (94 points = 31.3 per game)
    - 487, 394, and 533 yards (1414 yds = 471.3 per game)

    Not saying that 533 yards isn't impressive because it is. But they did it against a Giants' defense that was going through one of the worst stretches I can ever remember it having.

    Against Indy, the Ravens played well, putting up 439 yards. That's pretty good. But (a) the Colts' defense is also pretty bad (ranked #21 in points allowed and #26 in yards allowed), and (b) compare that 439 number to the Patriots. Know how many times this year the Pats have put up 439 yards or more? 9, in 17 games. More than half the time the Patriots put up 439+ yards. In fact, this season, the Patriots have *averaged* 430 yards a game, just 9 fewer than what the Ravens put up in this one big performance.

    Moreover, in those massive 439 yards, they only got 24 points. Yards are well and good, but if they're that explosive, they should have put up more than 24 points.

    Finally, what about the Denver game? Well, they had 479 yards, with Flacco having 331 passing. But that 70-yard TD at the end of regulation should have been an interception for Denver. The safety had all day to size it up. But at a minimum it should have been incomplete. Let's say he knocks it down - something pretty much would have happened 99 out of 100 other times that ball is thrown (if not intercepted, but let's give Flacco the benefit of the doubt). Here's what Baltimore's offense did from that play forward, not counting any penalties:

    105 yards passing
    one sack for -7 yards
    10 rushes for 37 yards

    So counting the sack, that's 135 yards gained from that 70-yard gift through the end of the game (more than one full OT period later). 479 minus 135 equals 344 yards, which is what they had gained prior to that 70-yard gift.

    Now, 344 isn't a terrible performance. It's not bad. But it's nothing to write home about. For comparison's sake, the Patriots failed to produce 344 yards just *ONE* time this season, in the 23-16 win over Miami in week 13.

    And without that 70-yard gift, the Ravens offense would have scored just 21 points. Remember, they got a defensive TD, that 70-yard gift, and then a FG in overtime which never would have happened without that 70-yard gift.

    So 344 yards and 21 points - well, again, it's not terrible, against a pretty good defense on the road. But nobody would be writing articles about how explosive the Ravens are. The entire perspective changes (along with the numbers, which create the perspective in the first place) thanks to that 70-yard heave to end regulation that never, ever, ever should have happened.

    I think Baltimore's offense can be dangerous, and NE will need to play well this weekend. But goodness, this article makes it look like they're the second coming of........the Patriots.
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    The Ravens long game offense is A. Chuck it deep after Torrey Smith burns the CB, B. Chuck it deep and hope Boldin makes an incredible grab, C. Chuck it deep and hope for a DPI.

    C is the one that worries me the most.
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    Agreed. Those yards don't count for Flacco padding his stats, either. Maybe if he completed those balls instead of getting the DPI's, we'd all believe the top elite amazing QB hype we hear so frequently.
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    I like how they didnt point out that his completion percentage in those 2 playoff games is a whopping 52.6%
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    His YPA is very good, he hasn't turned the ball over and he has thrown 5 TDs. Completion percentage is an absolutely overrated stat, especially in an offense that's predicated on running the ball and making big plays over the top.
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    I'm not impressed with Caldwell at all. If you examine their scoring drives in the Denver game, they came off a turnover or a long chuck. The rest of the time their offense looked inept and out of sync. If anything they are scoring in spite of Caldwell.
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    Its not overrated it just needs to be put into context. In the case of Flacco it might be less important than YPA simply because of the type of offense he runs, but it does speak to efficiency and his ability to match the Patriots "point for point" as the article maintains. The Ravens offense at its heart is still a running based offense that is boom or bust in the passing game. I wouldn't say that Flacco is a chuck it up and see what happens, as evidenced by his low turnovers, but they are still lower percentage throws.
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    Maybe overrated but it seems the best QBs have a completion percentage of over 60%. Even with a running game the the QB is throwing enough times
    to make his completion percentage a significant factor.

    If Pats take away the deep ball and make Flacco throw a ton of short passes
    will completion percentage be significant then?
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    Of course, the point was that all he is doing is lobbing those passes over the top. Stop those and dont turn it over and we win, no question. All of Baltimores points in the last game were either on bombs to smith/jones (21 points) or off turnovers (17)
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    You can say that the 70 yarder was a gift,

    but you can also say that some of the many times that Champ Bailey was burned and the throw just missed by a foot were bad breaks too.

    They took the chances they often take-- it's part of their offense-- and succeeded at some of them.

    We have to respect the deep throws, unfortunately, which makes it imperative that our front 7 contain Ray Rice without a lot of safety run support.
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    Flacco had 330yds in FIVE+ quarters of play. 100+yds of which were from 2 'explosive' long yardage plays. Whether flukes or a result of bad D doesn't matter. They happened.

    But 330 after 5plus quarters is about 66yds a quarter. In a 4 quarter game that is 264yds. Each quarter he passed for less than that single 70yarder. (Take it out and he averaged 52yds per quarter) Wow... explosive. <yawn>

    Now I still respect the deep ball of the Ravens and Torrey Smith is terror downfield. I don't think this is an easy game. Their offense is productive and balanced. Their defense is tough both mentally and physically. They are as smart as they are tough.

    But statistics can say anything anyone wants and the stats from that article don't tell you squat other than they've been productive in 4 games.
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    There is nothing new about the chuck and duck offense.
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    Flacco threw it. Smith caught it. You can't take that away from them. That's a big part of their offense. It wasn't a fluke. That would be like saying that our 2007 offense 'wasn't that great' if you took out all the bombs to Moss. Smith is an elite deep ball receiver, you can't discount something that is the signature of his game.
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    Actually, it's not overrated because it's extremely telling.

    This shows that absent big plays, this offense does not matriculate the ball down the field.

    Watching the games confirm exactly what the stats tell us.

    Even Jason Witlock on foxsports figured this out.......go figure.
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    Did the ball graduate magna cum laude? ;)
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    you hit the nail on the head:cool:
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    Understanding actual outcomes and screw ups are compatible.

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    We need Mcourty to really ballhawk the deep throws this game. One interception and Flacco's deep ball will shrivel.
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    jim caldwell as a OC...just makes me laugh still
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    After having actually WATCHED the last two Ravens games, I can say that, without a doubt, Jim Caldwell is worse as an OC than as a HC. There is no ingenuity to his offensive play calling. He's horrible. He goes to the long game only in desperation and the players make him look good. Most of them come on 3rd down when the Ravens are in 3rd and long situations. It's ridiculous..
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    To those poo pooing the Ravens' offense please remember the Pats were one muffed kick away from elimination against last season's "less explosive" offense.
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    Could make a pretty good case the Pats D has also improved significantly since that game.
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    What explosive Offense. This must be a joke right?. The Ravens offense is A Chuck it to Boldin, B Ray rice runs with the ball and C Chuck it to Boldin again.
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    Hah -- watching Troy Brown and he says the Pats slogan or this game should be "G.T.F.B ... get the bleep back." Pretty funny.
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    I think DMC is going to have a monster game. He'll be in centerfield all day long and Flacco will essentially have to challenge two CBs on one WR if he wishes to go deep.

    Ravens fans think Devin is a very mediocre safety. Im hoping theyre in for a huge surprise.

    Excellent speed, good ball skills and great instincts at safety already. BB says hes one of the smartest defensive players he's coached. See: Houston pick in the endzone, game 1.
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    As a Pats fan, I cant believe you have been brainwashed by the media.

    We were one muffed kick away from overtime... not elimination.
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    Good point

    The perennial loser teams and their fans, losers in media including losers of Boston media who can't stand BB (and his success), will jump on us if it is close victory or last minute victory. They will be all over us if we blow a team and start crying "BB ran up the score". If you keep these losers on mind, they will be whining and crying 24x7.
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