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    Found this on a steeler board hilarious, I can just imagine if Bush or Cheney used public policy to push a scam like this for their won direct benefit.

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    But... but... Algore's a wealthy man..!! His extravagant, wasteful lifestyle is just a product of his wealth..!! You miss the point..!! The point is he tells others how to live their lives, which is a good thing, so how he lives his life is irrelvant..!!
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    Charlton Heston (Moses) once said,
    HESTON: You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity! Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time.

    It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. Might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. You think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

    When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. Hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030207/content/01125103.guest.html
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    Aw, come on. Have a "heart", will you! AlGore *means* well. He just can't seem to do all the things he wants the REST OF US to do.

    America is the land of "equality". Some people are just more "equal" than others, don't you know.

    Barf.


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    Ha!.....man, Although I agree with pretty much all of that rant...Chuck Heston is loony! I've met the guy.
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    Not sure what the issue is. Don't ministers contribute to their employer? Don't CEOs donate their corporate foundations? If Gore is buying something he believes in from a company he invests in, what is wrong with that? Unlike Cheney, who certainly has helped Halliburton, at least Generation Investment Managemen does at a minimum some good. It seems to me this story is just another example of the faulty reasoning of the Deniers, but then again, the Deniers are sort of going the way of the flat earth people, I think.
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    Speaking of Halliburton how do you feel about Soros financier of left wing causes buying 2 million shares of Halliburton. A bit hypocritical don't you think?

    Back to the topic og Gore. He is pushing policies which if implemented would make him rich. If Bush were to do this you would scream bloody murder at the conflict of interest it would represent.

    It also shows Gore as a person with a vested interest rather than a person attampting to advance an issue from personal conviction.
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    I'm not terribly familiar with Soros financial dealings, but I believe he has an obligation to his shareholders. Also, I own shares in companies I don't believe in. I certainly don't buy shares in the worst companies, but I'm not going to ignore reality and engage in a pointless endeavor. If progressive groups organized an effort not to buy shares of Halliburton, then I think Soros would be wrong, but otherwise I don't see what Soros does as any different than Murdoch investing in China, for instance.

    If you really believe Gore's motivation is personal wealth than you have a point. I don't believe that. I'm a little suspicious with Cheney and Halliburton because of the no-bid contracts. But, please keep in mind, I'm a liberal, but I'm a capitalist, not a socialist.

    Do you seriously believe that of Gore?
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    Soros bankrolled moveon.org among other progressive efforts and IRRC spent 20+ mil on 572's to defeat Bush in 2004.


    Sure if he really felt that petro companies were the problem he would have divested his holding in Occidental Petroleum. Of course he hasn't.

    He is a grade A phoney who is going to use public policy to line his pockets at the expense of the little guy.


    BTW Cheney sold ALL his Halliburton stock when he was elected. Unlike Gore with his Oil stocks.
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    It is not hypocritical in the slightest..!! It is just Soros enjoying the fruits of his wealthy lifestyle..!! Don't you see..?!? Soros tells other people how to live but he doesn't have to actually live that way himself..!! Yeah..!! Yeah..!! That's the ticket..!!
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    BTW I forgpt to mention our old friend Ken Lay at Enron was an enthusiastic support of carbon caps and trading carbon offsets he saw it as a great business for his firm to get into (the guy had a nose for scams, too bad Kyoto wasn't implimented before he got busted eh?). ;)
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    What good would divesting do, unless part of an organized effort? Do you think it's wrong for a conservative to hold stock in a union-run company? Do you think it's wrong for an anti-gay person to hold stock in a company that provides domestic partner benefits? I think your reasoning is convenient, but not reasonable. If I could make a lot of money by buying Halliburton, I would certainly consider doing so, and as a result would increase my ability to give to causes I believe in.

    Get your facts right:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml
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    So, it's wrong for a liberal to invest in companies they don't believe in (Soros) and wrong of them to invest in companies they do believe in (Gore). I don't think that reasonable. Also, I don't think Gore is a phony. He's been involved in environmental causes since at least the late 70s.
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    He's "Loony" to all the Liberals, if he had a sign on his front lawn that said "Vote For Kerry" he'd be a "Hollywood Genuis Hero"

    Liberals have always hated him.

    Sean Penn---Good Guy
    Heston---Bad Guy
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    No...I mean, the guy can't complete a thought anymore. He is not on this planet.

    Heston was great in Waynes World 2
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    Well Patters, he was getting deferred salary he had earned in 1998, for services already rendered, and he had unexercised stock options the proceeds of which he had committed to giving to charoty, wow what a scam artist giving money to fool people. ;)
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    The end justifies the means then...is that in your belief set? I'm surprised. That leaves a lot of morality doors open, including the value of the group over the individual...or the majority over the minority.... Interesting.
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    ok, but more good reason to know where you're going when you're dead.:)

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