I've been posting on this forum for a long time. I don't know how many posts I have, but probably enough to make me a geek. I started posting here because of a very good, clear-headed discussion about evolution. The posts on that thread were concise, mpersonal, and analytical...something you might have seen had there been an internet during the Enlightenment. I was fascinated because I was new to the Net and online forums (I'm an old construction worker/owner/carpenter with little knowledge of digital advances, but I'm getting better) and I was drawn to the insightfull and novel ideas I was finding here. I am a loyal Pats (and any New England team) fan, but I think I was drawn to the political forum because of the intellectual stimulation - things you can't get on jobsites or cookouts that often. However, I have seeen it go from an intelligent discussion of social and political subjects with well-thought and highly respectful posts to being a cess-pool of insults, humorless "satires" (if you could call it that), childish bickering, and outright viscious attacks on our fellow man. I don't blame the moderators entirely, but they deserve a share of it. Free Ted Williams and Patters have become reflective of the cartoonish qualities the political left and right in this country have become in the popular media. Sorry guys, but you know it's true. I don't know why you haven't seen fit to keep to the high road as a means of correcting the demise of the discussion here, but you both seem to have chosen to jump into the jello pit and joined in the wrestling match instead of being the referees. That's OK to a point, but there is no way of distinguishing who's the guards and who's the inmates. The posters have gotten much worse and bear 90% of the blame, though. The subjects of the threads have degenerated into shyte like "Is Obama's a Homo?" Even if the threads are more innocuous sounding, they, more often than not lately, turn into a scene you might find in a mental institution. I suppose this is nothing worse than FOX news or MSNBC are presenting, but that's a pretty low bar, IMO. We reflect the society that is fed to us rather than make the society what we want. Too bad. We're not allowed to have in-depth discussions about complex issues anymore, or you're seen as "overly intrusive", "rocking the boat" or flat-out "wussy". Maybe that's the way our culture wants to go, towards an Idiocracy, and that's too bad, too. If that's the case, I'm grateful that I only have a few more decades to endure what may come (and I worry for my kids) but I'd rather keep positive and do what I can to make things better and respect everyone else, regardless of their philosophy (as long as they're not hurting anyone) and appearances. And for you tit-for-tat first responders....yes, I'm guilty of being less than decent at times, too. I apologize to President Bush *ghahg* (even though he's a traitor and murderer) and to all his chickenhawk rumpswabs. Being a part of the mess that the Political Forum has become doesn't go along with any plans to improve myself, though. It took me longer than some to get to this point, but I'm outta here. It's been very rewarding until recently, and I feel like I've met some very intresting characters (even though I haven't actually met anyone). This is the only forum I've been involved with since I began to use the web, but I've decided to take all of the time I've spent trying to straighten out the problems of the world via this forum and use it for my (real-life) friends and family. It's a beautiful day and I'm gonna go kayak with my girls this morning and have some beers and a couple of tokes with my neighbors (as soon as it's noon) if one of them is good enough to bring. Then maybe I'll get some nookie with the wife tonight if I'm lucky and don't act like a fool at some point. Sorry for the long post. I really wish all of you the best and hope you can take some of what I say to heart. Be decent and good luck.