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The person who Gore beat for the Peace Prize.....

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    Somehow making up lies about the enviroment, is more important than a poor old woman, who, in her youth, helped saved 2,500 Jewish children from the Nazis. If you had any thought that this award had any merit whatsoever left, after such recent stellar reciepents: Al Gore, Jiommy Carter, and Yasser Araft. This will put that thought to an end.

    Here's her story.....


    http://www.auschwitz.dk/Sendler.htm
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    I was talking about this to my girlfriend last night. She's not overly political, but complained to me about the politics of the Dixie Chics & Al Gore winning awards this year, since she watches all those Oscar, Emmy's, stuff. Anyhow, she asked me about the Nobel Prize thing, cuz she wanted to know it that was fixed too. LOL. Again, she's really not a political person, but she really disliked the fact that awards weren't given on merrit, as it meant someone deserving didn't win, and also that such tools would be used to make political statements. That irked her. What bugs me is someone deserving not winning.
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    If the women who FTW speaks of was a "Left Wing, Liberal America Hating Bush Hating Screwball A$s Hole" she would have won, if I was her I would be damn proud to be turned down by that Nobel Piece Sh!t bastard f-cking outfit.
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    It is your opinion that global warming is a farce. Frankly, I don't know who to believe on this issue since the propaganda and facts on both sides can seem convincing at times.

    As for your later statement, I don't mean to be offensive, but what is it about saving Jewish people where you come off as having the mentality that Jewish lives are worth more than other people's lives? The tone of your statement definitely suggests this. Many individuals have saved several groups of people in history numbering many orders of magnitude more than 2500 Jewish survivors.

    Jewish lives aren't worth more than any other people's live, such as the millions of Gypsies and handicapped people who died in Germany as well. Additionally, I have read some stories where individual Japanese officers saved tons of Jews through immigration forms, and I believe the Chinese also habored Jews in Shanghai. There isn't anything overly special about that woman compared to other people who have saved the lives of other people.
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    Jewish lives aren't worth more, HOWEVER, helping Jewish kids escape the Nazis put your life in serious danger!!! How many people when faced by the Nazis either a) helped the Nazis round up the Jews or b) did nothing.

    I wasn't commenting on anything Jewish, other than the fact that they were being hunted and this woman helped save the children (which is a hell of alot more than AlGore has ever done in his life).
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    WTF, MAV!
    Jews are God's Chosen People, Dumbazz! That makes them better! JEEZ!
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    If there were a Nobel "Raising Awareness About Something Important" Prize, I might consider giving it to Gore, but the "Peace" prize? I don't think so. The runner up FTW puts up doesn't deserve it either. I think GW Bush should get it for his efforts in Iraq to end the violence that has been going on there since the US....oh, wait a minute...never mind.:(
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    So what? usually that's what happens when heroes save lives, you are risking your life. Saving 2500 Jewish lives isn't this great feat that is worthy of attention more than the tons of individuals in history who have saved more people, several orders of magnitude more.

    Do you not realize the tone of your statements? You really do sound like you believe Jewish people are worth more or are better. I don't care if you think you are a chosen individual, you aren't better than anyone. Your tone is as crazy as a Christian fundamentalist like Anne Coulter who thinks non-Christians are going to hell.
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    On this point I can agree, it seems a little inappropriate to me that Al Gore won the Peace Prize.
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    I'm not Jewish, I think you are reading your own bias into this.
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    There's no debate anymore. The idea that there's an argument is a myth. There are a handful of skeptics out there who are trotted out every now and then by politico-business interests, but there are skeptics for everything. There are even scientists out there who say the world is only 7,000 years old. When you begin reading the science, you discover that you hear the same skeptics over and over again, and many of them are not so much challenging the human contribution to global warming as they are challenging specific aspects of the research. Check any legitimate scientific publication and you will find that the preponderance of evidence overwhelmingly supports a human contribution to global warming that could have very serious repercussions.

    The rest of your post I agree with, though it should be put in such a way that all those people who saved lives are heroes who deserve recognition and accolades.
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    There you have it folks. There is no debate anymore (did one even take place?). It's certifiable. That must be more of that obejctivity, (in)tolerance, debate, and discussion stuff I keep hearing about. :bricks:

    As Jerry Jones would say, "How about them COWboys!". :D
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    Originally Posted by maverick4
    As for your later statement, I don't mean to be offensive, but what is it about saving Jewish people where you come off as having the mentality that Jewish lives are worth more than other people's lives? The tone of your statement definitely suggests this. Many individuals have saved several groups of people in history numbering many orders of magnitude more than 2500 Jewish survivors.

    Jewish lives aren't worth more than any other people's live, such as the millions of Gypsies and handicapped people who died in Germany as well. Additionally, I have read some stories where individual Japanese officers saved tons of Jews through immigration forms, and I believe the Chinese also habored Jews in Shanghai. There isn't anything overly special about that woman compared to other people who have saved the lives of other people.


    So you agree that one persons life is not more than any other human beings? So when can we get rid of cop killer laws that say otherwise? Also, if a life is worth no more from one person to the next, then why are the rights of humans not held to the same standard? Why are a violation of one persons rights, more egregious than the same violation of mine?
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    Exactly NEM. ;)
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    Maybe NEM, but based on his choosing an example of Jewish survivors, mentioning the Nazis.. it's seems like he does value the lives of Jews more. Why not pick someone who saved hundreds of thousands of people post-Tsunami, or any other event?

    On to the Global Warming thing, I've looked at both sides, both sides have effective propaganda and facts, but the one side that has an incentive is those who gain from more fossil fuel dependent life.

    Can someone who denies global warming tell me what the incentive would be for global warming people to make this stuff up? What is the end gain from making up a controversy if it's not true, who benefits.
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    Boy, talk about looking for a fight. Surely, you agree that one person's life isn't worth more than the next. Sometimes the laws are set up to protect more vulnerable groups. Thus, we have hate crime laws in some places, laws that provide longer sentences if you kill a cop, and there are probably other examples too. I would think that if you were in a group that was likely to be victimized, then it's quite possible laws would be passed to try to protect that group.
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    I'm not looking for a fight. I'm simply pointing out how unable you are to call a spade a spade. ;)
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    There really is no debate, except in the popular media. It's pretty difficult to find an expert who believes humans don't contribute to global warming or that global warming is not a danger. Sure, they're out there, but science has always been about the preponderance of evidence. When you get right down to it, you can't prove anything. Can't even prove the world is round. You have to trust scientists there, too.
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    Gore defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets," but the company that receives his payments turns out to be partly owned and chaired by the former vice president himself.

    Gore has built a "green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms," writes blogger Dan Riehl.

    Gore has described the lifestyle he and his wife Tipper live as "carbon neutral," meaning he tries to offset any energy usage, including plane flights and car trips, by "purchasing verifiable reductions in CO2 elsewhere."

    But it turns out he pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management, a London-based company with offices in Washington, D.C., for which he serves as chairman. The company was established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating "global warming," reports blogger Bill Hobbs.
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    You didn't answer the question, you're just criticizing him.
    To what end benefit do global warming people gain from making this up?

    There is clear benefit to global warming deniers to continue the liftestyle we have built for ourselves.

    OK I see what you mean but it's pretty far fetched. Gore is trying to create a whole new industry and change the entire way of life as we know it, for purely financial gain?
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    From the British high COurt.......

    The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
    The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
    The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.
    The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.
    The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
    The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
    The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
    The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
    The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
    The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
    The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.
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    Was it a danger during the medival warming period? What caused that, I'm curious? Cows maybe? Probably since they're more of a problem than man is. I'm guessing though that there are more cows today than in yesteryear, when there certainly weren't any cars. Hmmmm..... See, this is the problem I have with people like you. You're so afraid of discussing the issue, that you simply announce the debate is over. The problem with that is twofold, it's doomsday which I never subscribe to, and it only means that you are not open to honest discussion. A murder weapon with finger prints wouldn't change your mind.
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    Are the righties advocating the Fairness Doctrine!

    The ruling did not address science. The ruling was basically that there were 9 ideas that could be regarded as political and the film, under British law, required that the opposing viewpoints be given equal time (sort of like what some liberals are demanding of talk radio).

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing.php

    "So contrary to all the reporters' claims (the Judge) did not find that there were 9 scientific errors in AIT, but that there were nine points that might be errors or where differing views should be presented for balance."
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    Have you read Kyoto? It is a massive plan aimed at socializing the globe. It's not about Global Warming, it's about taxing and penalizing the most wealthy nations, while giving a free pass to the lesser developed countries on the globe. It's a certifialble joke. While the US, Canada, Brittain, etc all pay heavy fines, and are forced to slow industrially, and economically, the 3rd world, India, Brazil, etc, all get to pollute and catch up. It's socialism on a global scale. That's the UN's angle in all this. For the scientists, it's grant money baby. Since the world is headed to an environmental catastrophe, said world will need to invest millions, if not billions to monitor that environment. Hmmm....who benefits from that?

    I don't doubt for one second that the planet is warming. My skepticism comes from reading that toilet paper treaty Kyoto, and the Patters like announcement that the debate is over. Sorry, but something smells funny, and it ain't my tuna salad. :D
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    I've discussed the issue to death and have read extensively what the skeptics are saying, and posted it in numerous threads before this one. Of course, there have been anomalies over the centuries, but there are distinctive trends now supported by a variety of data. For instance, one of the skeptics disputes the famous hockey stick chart, saying the temperature estimates used to generate it are wrong. But, other temperature estimates generate a similar chart. The Skeptic in question was disputing the particular set of data used; he was not disputing the whole of global warming. If you want to present (probably in another thread) a specific argument, I'll be glad to discuss it.
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    That's right. My bad. I forgot that I was talking to the most objective person in the forum. :rolleyes:
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    i don't understand how the Nobel Peace Prize has been labeled no big deal, but Rush Limbaugh actively campaigned for it.. now that Gore has won it it has become a very big deal.

    I also don't understand why they just list Arafat as having won the Nobel Peace Prize because he won it with Shimon Perez and another Jewish Leader.. good right wing talking point though.

    I won't list all the other notables who won it, because no one will listen just keep bring up Carter, Arafat and Gore.. it is what it is.. no real big deal except on the internet.
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    The Peace Prize means nothing. It's the science discoveries that are prestigious.
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    You seem to have a real problem with the idea of someone helping Jews...

    Point is that the Jews were being systematically exterminated in areas controlled by the Nazi's. The goal was to kill every Jew in Europe. This woman help smuggle children out of the Warsaw Ghetto, which was guarded by the SS. There was nothing in it for her, yet she risked her life multiple times to save children from extermination.

    Sad you can't see the good in this woman.
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    How do you square this with your support for hate crimes legislation???

    Or are some minority groups more deserving than others??

    :rolleyes:

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