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  1. Rob0729

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    The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.
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    Too early but I certainly agree with the comparison. I said it a few weeks earlier in some thread here too, we aren't building a Steeler/Raven-esque defense, but more of an 09 saints/packers defense designed to create turnovers for your powerful offense.
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    The 2009 Saints are what I said our defense could be when looking at their ceiling. I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're certainly on our way. They need to improve a lot over today, for starters.
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    Our team excites me a lot because they should only get better next year the way we are rebuilding and yet, they look great this year. As inconsistent as the D has been, they have some impact players and are slowly maturing.
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    I still think this defense can be better than the Saints' defense by playoff time. It is improving and has been dominant at times in most game, but hasn't been able to put together four quarters yet. That could happen over the next month though.
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    Indeed. Next Monday would be a good launching point.
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    Be prepared to wash your mouth out with soap. Bill Belichick would do that to anyone who said such nonsense. Bill would NEVER, EVER, consent to build a Colts or Rams Defense dedicated to being half a Defense for their powerful offense.

    Nor does it resemble one at all. He doesn't have undersized but quick defensive linemen. Nor does he have undersized but speedy LBs either. Bill would find it abhorrent to construct a fundamentally unsound Defense.
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    I don't think that Belichick wants to build this way, but this season he will take what he has. He is always happy winning the turnover battle. I think he is estatic that the defense is opportunistic and creating turnovers although he isn't happy about other parts of the defense (third downs and the yards he let up).

    As for the actual defense, I am not saying the Pats defense looks like the Saints' defense in terms of types of players or schemes/philosophy. I am saying both defenses are defenses that were not statistically very good and gave up a lot of points, but created a lot of turnovers. Other than that, they are different defenses.
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    Umm, you do know the 2001 patriots defense is the 2 worst to ever win a superbowl?

    In the case BILL, stats never tell the true story.
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    Umm, don't know what your point is. I never said that Belichick cared about stats. Belichick is all about results and not stats. Never said otherwise.
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    I was referring to how the stats say the pats are 30th rank defense, but if you watched them play they look somewhat elite.
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    I think the Pats' defense is much better than their stats say, but elite? Even somewhat.
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    You must be smoking a ton of meth to think that this defense looks anywhere near elite.
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    I honestly don't know what to make of the Pats defense. They are so checkered I don't know what to think one play to the next. They look phenomenal on one series and darn right awful the next. Play the first two downs to perfection and then play 3rd down like they are a high school team.

    I'm going to assume it is a mixture of being young and inexperienced to a shade of game planning by the coaching.
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    The pats D looks great for 1 half and bad the other so far.. When they play good they look elite.

    Remember the offenses the pats have played. This is one of the toughest qb schedules the pats have ever had with A-rod and jay cutler to go.
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    They looked elite for 3 quarters against the Steelers and 2 quarters against the Bengals. But then there's the other 39 quarters
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    The only time this year that I can say that the Pats offense looked anywhere approaching elite was though the first three quarters of the Pittsburgh game. They're very hot and cold. I would say that they look good at times and bad at other times. Elite definitely isn't the correct word.
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    LOL let me rephrase that last statement.

    This team is looking like a elite BILL defense.

    This look like the same kind of pats defense that gave up 324 passing yards to mcnabb and 323 passing yards to jake delhomme.

    The pats defense have always been this way.
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    We love the Pats, I think thats pretty apparent. But is your defense like this?
    Commentary: This is November? | wwltv.com | WWL Saints football
    Geer vs Revis
    Jets CBs don't feel the burn - AFC East Blog - ESPN

    Your defense is not like the Saints , your offense is. We are very impressed with the Pats offense this year, and very happy you won. We want a shot at you,lol
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    I was actually thinking the same exact thing.
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    From a Steelers fan, one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read...

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    Hey if it works, I'll definitely take it. You don't have to win pretty, you just have to WIN. Bring the Lombardi back to Foxboro where it belongs!

    PS The Pats STILL have the #1 scoring offense in the entire NFL.
    #1 Pats 30.4
    #2 Eagles 28.4
    #3 Chargers 27.4
    #4 Colts 26.8
    #5 Saints 24.1

    Pats are averaging over 6 ppg MORE than the #5 offense in the NFL. Wow.
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    I dunno. I think this team has more potential than the 09 Saints. And it's not completely unprecedented for a BB-led defense to turn on a dime from bad to above average (see: 2005).

    The "X factor" of course is youth, though that defense was forced to rely on some marginal talent due to injuries (Michael Stone, Artrell Hawkins).
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    Ironically the Saints went from being bad statistically and creating turnovers last season to being good statistically without the turnovers this season. Going into last nights game they were 2nd in Run and Pass defense.

    Hopefully the Pats can make that jump next year but continue the turnover level. We'll see.

    But for the sake of this Year I think the Saints comparison is accurate.

    And I think 2005 had some extenuating (sp?) circumstances. Bruschi got back into game shape, Seymour came back from injury, Wilfork truly came into his own and Vrabel started playing well inside. And as you noted Hawkins was a real difference maker. He is still one of my favorite Patriots the man was a tackling machine, now pass coverage...well....
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    Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!
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    Hahahaha that's probably the best way for a new member to introduce themselves(yes i know im new too).

    I see alot of similarities this year between the saints defence of last year and our defence this year, however next year I expect our defence to be much more consistent and far better than the 2009 saints.
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    Where was that posted?
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    You certainly came to the wrong place for perspective when facing adversity. Far to many fans here can't be happy after a win let a lone after a loss. If we don't win 55-0 then we surely suck!

    In all seriousness there are some very knowledgable people on here you just have to sift through the garbage to find them, especially after a loss.
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    LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

    The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

    Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

    Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

    Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

    Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.
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