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    did they trade Brady, and Moss?

    Is Belichick going to coach the Raiders?

    did Kraft sell the team?

    Is Jerod Mayo holding out?


    what a loser.
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    When talking about the Superbowl why do people always forget that not only did the line play incredibly bad that game, but Brady had an ankle injury and Faulk missed most of the game. These people act as if the Giants were the first team to ever pressure the Pats.
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    Trying hard not to sound like a homer but in a 9 year span when you paticipate in 5 AFCCCs, 4 SBs and go home with the Lombardi in 3 of them, the team is doing something right.

    I'd like to think that their draft record could be a bit better, but I reason that to the fact of picking in the bottom 1/4 of the draft year in/out. Logic would say that your chances of drafting NFL-claliber starters is reduced.
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    It also doesn't help when you have eight picks in the last three rounds of a weak(ish) draft when you already have the most stacked roster in the league. . . .
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    He used yards as the measure of defense in order to denigrate Belichick. Really, is there a need to say more?
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    I really don't have a problem with the article. I don't neccessarily agree, but I can see their point. They say there is no clear cut overrated team. They say the Patriots are overrated not because that people think they are one of the top 4-5 teams in the NFL, but that most preseason polls have them listed as #1. They even write:

    The guy is definitely a Patriots' hater and I still think the Giants showed the rest of the league the blueprint how to stop Brady and company is overrated itself (how do you sell that to other teams? First you get Strahan, Umineyora, and Tuck on your d-line and then you....), but he does raise some valid issues with the Patriots especially on defense.

    I am tired of this the Giants showed other teams how to beat the Patriots since the Giants had the best defensive line and most sacks of any team that season. Few teams could duplicate what the Giants did. Otherwise, I don't have that much of a problem with the article. I do think that teams like the Chargers or Jets are way overrated in many corners and should get the nod over the Pats.
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    To be fair, he did say that the only reason he was picking them was because there was no clear cut over rated team and the Patriots were at the top of most lists. That I don't have a problem with. I would agree though that many of his points after that fell flat.
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    I do not think that NE is overrated. But - to be fair - there is a lot of Pats love going into TC this year. I think that if you polled most "experts" and players and coaches, they'd all put the Pats at or near the top of their list.

    So, while they aren't overrated, they are definately "rated". It would be hard for Harrison to come back and play the "disrespect/no one thought we could do it" card
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    Bill Chuang is overated lol

    Its gonna be nice to see him eat some crow later this year:popcorn:

    14-2 this year and a trip back to the SB!;)
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    I find it hard to take in articles where at one point they compliment a team and in another they downgrade them - It should be one way or the other.

    I actually have more respect for people who write articles in one direction whether its a negative one or a positive one than this article who goes hot and cold.

    IMO You are a Patriot lover or a Patriot hater - There is no in between...
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    He's being disingenuous including the 2000 season. There are better stats to rank defense than what the NFL uses (total yards). PPG is a better stat.

    Pats PPG rank since 2000: 17th, 6th, 17th, 1st, 2nd, 17th, 2nd, 4th, 8th. AVG RANK: 8.2

    Whenever the Pats were lower than 6th, they didn't reach the playoffs, with the exception of 2005. To say BB is overrated is to judge him based his "bad" seasons, while ignoring the "good".

    At least he has them making the playoffs beyond the 1st round. Did he say who's going to beat them in the Divisional round?

    His analogy of the '09 Pats with the '06 Dolphins (a team I thought was overrated) was ludicrous.

    The last time the Pats overhauled their secondary was before the 2003 season and the result was consecutive SBCs. That BB has addressed the 2002 and 2008 seasons by correcting this weakness, speaks well of his organizational skills.

    To put it briefly, this blogger is a "dingleberry". :D

    If I had to pick my most "overrated" I would say Philly and Indy.
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    This particularly bothered me:
    Not the Steelers, because they obviously are a premier 3-4 team.

    But the Ravens? Seriously?

    They run a joke of a 3-4. Yeah, their shoot the gap insult of a 3-4 is very good, but in terms of philosophy, the Patriots are a premier 3-4 team.
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    Don't you think you should at least wait until a few games into the season before declaring any team overrated? (I would have said wait until training camp or the preseason, but if we've seen anything the last few years is that you can't judge a team by preseason performance.)
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    The loss of Scott is going to hurt that Ravens 3-4 - Scott was not the best of that bunch but he fit in with their schemes very well.
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    I dont really have a problem with saying the Pats are overrated. They probably are, because the expectations are set so high.
    We actually reached the point a couple of weeks ago where someone posted a criticism of the Patriots saying 'we havent even won a SB in four years'.
    I believe the Patriots are very clearly the best team in the NFL, but if the standard is anything less than winning the SB is failure, then they probably are overrated, because it isnt that easy. (And by the way, I do think anything less than winning the SB is failure)
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    In order for someone to honestly claim that the Patriots are overrated, they must come up with a legitimate argument against the following sentence: The Patriots are the best team in the NFL and they are the favorites to win the Super Bowl.
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    Is there a more dangerous team? Time will tell.

    Each team we play will feature opposing defensive coordinators tossing and turning through many a sleepless night.
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    The Ravens have been a 4-3 team in all but name for some time.
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    Sounds like a butthurt Steelers fan, they win the championship and no one cares, haha
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    I guess the argument would be that it is harder for them to achieve that 'rating' than it is for anyone else to achieve their 'rating'.
    I know what you are saying and I agree, but overrated is really a matter of expectations exceeding reality so when the expectations are the highest, the likelihood of being overrated is too.
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    So where's the overrating? Someone saying that they are going to actually win the Super Bowl isn't overrating them. They are making a prediction.

    As far as their 'rating', you can't get higher than "best in the league" or "favorite to win Super Bowl".
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    It's been a long time since I've heard the Pats were overrated, or not as good as everyone else thinks. I think it bodes well for this season, it's a good omen.
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    A team that is the consensus pick to win the SB that does not is overrated.
    My point was that if you are considered the best there is no room for underrating.
    Pehaps the overrating is in underestimating how difficult it is to win it all.
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    It's not exactly revolutionary. The fastest way to stop a Spread Offense like the Pats ran is to pressure the QB. Trying to cover everyone and not bringing heat gets you killed.

    That said, Brady made most teams pay for that philosophy but the Giants, Eagles and Ravens had the personnel to implement it. If a team with poor personnel tries voiding zones and bringing heat from all angles, they will get killed.

    At any level, if you harrass the QB you will cripple the passing game. Spagnola's game plan was great and I give him credit but I bet he'd be the first to tell you he didn't invent the concept.
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    Logic hath no place on an opinion board.

    My take: The Squealers won the SB so THEY should be the favs until deposed. Therefore the oft favored Patriots are Over Rated. Q.E.D.

    (I'm ignoring the Bradyless 2008 Pats thingy here)
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    I bet he would also be the first to tell you that if there was a rematch a week later he would need a completely different plan, because that one wouldnt have worked twice in a row.
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    Couldn't help myself but to break down this point by point. Once I found that this guy was a Steelers fan, it all made sense. Just another bitter, bitter guy.


    This is a ridiculous reason for a couple of reasons. First of all its EVERY defense's goal to put the maximum pressure on the opposing QB. This jamoke is trying to tell us he discovered the key to the treasure trove, instead of proving he has a "keen sense of the obvious" :rolleyes:

    The other major reason was already pointed out earlier, that the Giants had a special DLine, and not many teams could have pulled off what they did.

    FInally, I'm sure he's forgotten all those time those top rated Pittsburgh defenses who led the league in QB pressures where shreaded by the Pats spread offense.

    As proof of his disengenuous reporting, he corrrectly gives the right reason for all the sacks and summarily chooses to dismiss his own analysis.

    As proof of his disengenuous reporting he throws in a "spygate" jab. Which would be just like me dismissing ALL of the Steeler Lombardis because most of their team were steroid freaks. Very weak....his black and gold is starting to bleed into his blog.

    As proof of his disengenuous reporting he once again ignores his own analysis. BTW I'm getting very good at typing disengenuous

    As proof of his disengenuous reporting he completely ignores the fact that outside the rebuilding year of 2000, the Pats defense has been one of the top ten scoring defense all but one year...including last season (as reported by an earlier poster...much to my surprise)

    He is right that the Pats do usually take the lead in game, and it is good coaching to exchange yds for minutes when you have the lead. The only REAL measurement of a good defense is scoring, because thats how you determine the winner, not by who has the most yards (see I too have a "keen sense of the obvious") ;)

    Yeah Bill how are we ever going to replace those FOUR huge sacks we got from Vrabel last season. :rolleyes: Are you in a time warp thinking last season was 2007. You clearly aren't paying attention to reality, hence I get to use the word disengenuous again.

    TBC had around 8 sacks when he was a situational rusher and injury fill in his last season with the Pats. BTW does that make him TWICE as good as Vrabel. :rolleyes: It was a while ago, but it does show he COULD consistently apply pressure on the QB. Of Course Crabel or Woods has shown they can apply pressure, neither played enough to determine it. Neither had James Harrison before he actually had the chance.

    Jees, where we as high as 14th. I didn't thing we were that good. I don't think he watch Mayo, but most thought he did pretty well in coverage for a rookie, and his dismissing Thomas as over the hill smacks of a similar lack of any thought. Do I hear a disengenuous coming on.

    I guess he was watching a different Brandon Merriweather who started to come into his own and was our best DB last season

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