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  1. loloooooooooooo

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    I've been hearing that the Pats O line is by far the best in the league and that they are the best in the decade even (wow). Yet Week in week out I see Brady get hit as much as an average O line does.

    Yes the Pats O line is one of the better ones, but I doubt it is as good as the Saints, Chargers, and Bengals where they literally go weeks without getting hit. Wanna know why Dalton has been so good? because he never gets hit, and when he does, he heels over like he did a few days ago against one of the top Defenses. Brady on the other hand has been hasn't been sacked as much as Dalton, Brees, or Ryan, but from my own eyes seeing Brady play, he extends the play because of his awareness in the pocket and can avoid sacks and make plays. Not saying the Pats o line is as bad as the Rams or Bears though...

    I'm just saying this because I'm tired of hearing that the Patriots O line is impenetrable, if it was, the Patriots would be 16-0
     
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    I am sure 5 Incredible Hulks would still allow QBs to be hit!

    The line are doing their job, quarterbacks will get hit, even Andy Dalton!
     
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    I have not seen or heard anybody say anything like the Patriots have the best O line in the league, nevermind for the last decade.

    Especially considering when at times this year they were missing both tackles the left guard and more than 1 center.
     
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    I have to say, the litany of evidence you've provided in support of your argument has really caused me to come around to your viewpoint. Well done, sir.
     
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    Top ten this year, I think they were top 5 the previous two years...not sure on 2008, but 2007 they were definitely one of the best.

    I don't know about the best for 10 years,. but they have definitely been one OF the best for the past 5 years now...so I don't get the purpose of this thread if I'm honest.

    We have definitely had one of the best offensive lines since 2007...and I would argue for a bit before then too although I can't be bothered to find the stats.

    I think a line that has boasted Mankins and Light on the left side for however long now warrants to be called one of the best...with Waters this year too that just adds to how good it is on paper.

    Personally think you're wrong.
     
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    QB Hits Allowed (NFL.com)

    Saints - 51
    Chargers - 56
    Bengals - 60
    Patriots - 71

    So the Patriots line allowed on average 1.25 QB hits more per game than the Saints!

    And of the 3 teams you mentioned being great protectors, one is still in the playoffs, one are out and the other never made it!

    The Patriots are the #1 seed, so they aren't doing too bad!
     
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    Depends if you're looking at it in terms of pass-blocking or run-blocking...it isn't the best in the league in either case, but it's probably a top 5 line for Brady to throw from.
     
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    Brian Waters has come to this team and has immediately become the best OL of the bunch...yes,better than Mankins and Light.

    Mankins has not been at his best in 2011 but he is still a top 5 OG

    If I were Belichick I would be flipping a coin as to who should start at RT...Vollmer or Solder...Solder has been an outstanding rookie.

    As far as Light is concerned,I think he is having his best season ever....For the first time I can remember,Light has not been dominated from speed rushers off the edge - He has stood his ground better than I have ever seen him.
     
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    New England lost, at different times, its starting RT, starting RG, starting C, starting LG and #2C.

    I think the line has played pretty well under such circumstances.
     
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    Who is saying this?

    Waters is the only lineman to start all 16 games this year. Light, Mankins, Koppen and Vollmer have all missed time. You had 11 different starters this year. That is significant.

    Considering that Brady started 16 games and had one of his greatest seasons ever and never got seriously hurt and the running game being only as good as the RBs and offense allow it to be, they did a damn good job this year.

    I think you need to appreciate the job the line did this year.
     
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    No coin flipping...at this point it's Solder for me.

    Defintely agree on Light.
     
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    Who exactly is it that is saying that the Pats offensive line is the best in the league?


    The only time I can think of that ever being said is when an opposing fan is attempting to discredit Brady.
     
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    No, you dont.

    NE is ranked 8th in pass blocking. Thats top 10 where I went to school. 16th would be average.

    FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE LINES

    O really? Brady was sacked 32 times and Rivers 31 times per the link above.

    Brees was sacked 24 times, Dalton 25 times. So, worst case, Brady was sacked .5 more times than Brees or Dalton. Big deal. Sometimes taking the sack is the right play rather than risking a turnover.

    Smart football.

    WTF, are you talking about? You just said that Brady gets hit as much as the average OL and that Brees, Dalton and Rivers are sacked less.

    Kicking the weekend off early with a drink or five?

    13 - 3 really sucks.
     
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    Bingo.

    The OP should have made mention of this to give his post the much needed context.

    With that being said, it's true. When opposing fans talk about the Patriots O line they do indeed vastly overrate it. Like, to the point where to cannot help but think they do it to discredit Brady. They frequently talk about Brady has "all day" to throw, or whatever.
     
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    Brady will stand in the pocket for an inordinate amount of time to let his receivers get open. While he does throw the ball away if the play just isn't working, he frequently just turtles with the ball when time runs out to prevent a strip sack. I can only remember a couple of times this year when Brady just didn't have a chance against the pass rush.
     
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    thanks, I forgot to mention that.
     
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