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  1. Patters

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    I take a week's vacation, and the country becomes a mess! Jeez.

    Anyway, as a hopeless optimist, the way I look at the Scott Brown victory is that it's a wake up call to the Obama administration in time to avert a bigger disaster next November. Obama is right to do battle with Wall Street, even though Wall Street will fight back. He should have launched that battle a long time ago, rather than submit to the economic blackmail that led Bush and Obama to engage in corporate bailouts.

    The activist Supreme Court handed Obama a bipartisan plum with it's ridiculous ruling that corporations are people too, especially during a period when there is very little trust for corporations. I hope the Democrats seize this opportunity. Lastly, on health care, the Democrats should use Reconciliation to ram through something that is more principled then the current health care reform package. I think once a health care reform package is passed, the health insurance industry will have no choice to market its benefits to the public.
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    Next time do not take a week's vacation:D:D:D It is your fault you know.
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    #24 Jersey

    So you want the Dems to lose the House and Senate completely . . .
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    #24 Jersey

    BTW, reconciliation is only for budgetary items, they can't "ram through" many of the parts of the bills (like mandatory health insurance) - not without an elongated legal fight anyway.
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    I don't think that's what will happen. The reality is that the vast majority of people will only see additional benefits. Many of the people without health insurance don't have it because they cannot get it or cannot afford it. Health care reform is a first step in that these people, who frequent emergency rooms and free clinics (often when they're extremely ill) will actually start paying for their services. No more handouts for them! And quite a savings if they get early treatment or pay more than they're paying now.

    I suspect there's a very small number of people who do not want insurance and can afford it. They are sure to vote against the Democrats.

    Otherwise, I think the conservatives only have scare tactics, mostly unrelated to the HCR.
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    #87 Jersey


    Progressives want good change for America.

    Conservatives use scare tactics to keep the status quo.

    :help::help::help:
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    Or perhaps its,

    Progressive want good change for America.

    Conservatives think, leave good enough alone.
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    Because change in the mind of progressive always involves wealth redistribution

    ... which in turn leads to higher taxes and strains on businesses.

    ... which in turns leads to unemployment and business moves
    to other countries to stay competitive on a global scale.


    Progressives theories need to be applied to the realities of the global economy
    ... not to the unrealistic vacuum that is the USA economy.

    The scientific principal of to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction also applies to the economy
    - progressives have yet o see the correlation there.
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    There's a fine line between optimism and foolish naivete. If you think this epic defeat for the left could actually help them in November, then you crossed that line a couple thousand miles back.
    This from a guy who supports the MASJC ruling that interpreted a 200+ year old document as saying homosexuals should be allowed to marry. Ah, where's JackBauer when I really need him? Because we have Patters providing a textbook case of my definition of "judicial activism" right here.
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    Actually it's more like liberals are always taking a system that isn't broke and "fixing" it into something worse.
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    Many people without health insurance choose not to get it. You have a very limited group who will like it once you eliminate illegals and those who don't want to buy health insurance. And the vast majority of those against it hate the process, we should have people going to jail over the bribes and giveaways in this disgusting bill.
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    Honestly, anything forced upon the population will be strongly opposed. Secret deals and negotiations will not go over well for the Dems and Reps alike. It's time for some of that promised openness Obama made.

    How about this novel concept. We have a bipartisan healthcare reform bill. Take the best ideas from both sides and hammer out something that will make a difference. If Obama has done anything it's that he has made us all more divisive. If that continues, the Dems will pay this fall. If he turns things more towards the middle he will benefit like Clinton did in '94.
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    Health care needs repair, once the decisions are made and a bill is drawn up both sides and the media should have plenty of time to study untill all come to an agreement thenit should go before the people and put on a nation wide ballot, THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT.

    HEALTH CARE THAT THE PEOPLE AGREE WITH

    THE DEMOCRATS WOULD NEVER GO ALONG WITH THAT THE PELOSI GANG AND OBAMA WANT THEY'RE OWN BILL FORCED ONTO THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WILL NEVER TOLERATE IT THAT IS WHY SCOTT BROWN NOW SITS IN UNCLE TEDDYS CHAIR.

    MASSACHUSETTS ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST LIBERAL STATES HAS SAID "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" GOD & HIS SON JESUS BLESS THEM.

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