The Packers should send a Thank You card to the Patriots for their championship

[Ron Sellers]

Pats should have drafted Clay Matthews: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted Greg Jennings rather than Chad Jackson: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:


What else while we're at it?
Oh yeah, how can I forget:

Pats should have drafted LaMarr Woodley rather than Brandon Meriweather: :deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted DeAngelo Williams or Maurice Jones-Drew rather than Laurence Maroney. :deadhorse:



Isn't the benefit of hindsight wonderful?

 

[Mogamedogz]

Pats should have drafted Clay Matthews: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted Greg Jennings rather than Chad Jackson: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:


What else while we're at it?
Oh yeah, how can I forget:

Pats should have drafted LaMarr Woodley rather than Brandon Meriweather: :deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted DeAngelo Williams or Maurice Jones-Drew rather than Laurence Maroney. :deadhorse:



Isn't the benefit of hindsight wonderful?

Exactly!

If "If's were fifth's we'd all be drunk!"

 

[JackBauer]

I dont understand why people think what we got was better than passing on Clay Matthews. What more is there to expand on?

Now im not going to sit here and play the "What if" game... BB didnt want him, (or Jennings or MJD or Woodley or any other player that we passed on who worked out for another team over the last 10 years) because it's silly.

But to say that you still wouldnt take him (knowing what we know now) is either foolish or homerish IMO.

And I know you are not foolish. You come off as one of the brighter posters around here.

As far as I'm concerned, the jury's out. Does Matthew's one-dimensional ability as a pass rusher outweigh the value of Gronkowski's well-rounded abilities both as a receiving and blocking TE? I'm skeptical that the trio of Butler, Tate, and Edelman will all flame out to such an extent as to not tip the scales decisively in the Patriots' favor.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Pats should have drafted Clay Matthews: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted Greg Jennings rather than Chad Jackson: :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:


What else while we're at it?
Oh yeah, how can I forget:

Pats should have drafted LaMarr Woodley rather than Brandon Meriweather: :deadhorse:

Pats should have drafted DeAngelo Williams or Maurice Jones-Drew rather than Laurence Maroney. :deadhorse:



Isn't the benefit of hindsight wonderful?

In case you didn't get it.this scenerio was brought up because the Packers won the Super Bowl AND those 2 players in question and who were linked to the Pats were a big reason why GB won that 4th quarter and then the game

...THAT has NOTHING to do with your other players,nor should it.

Drew nor Williams played any role in any championship and Woodley was not a big reason why the Steelers won their title 2 years ago....now you get it?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Exactly!

If "If's were fifth's we'd all be drunk!"

Yeah,We would DEFINATELY have to be drunk or at least BB would if he were to cough up picks to move up to get Andrew Luck like you posted in the other thread

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

We wont need Butler to step it up for awhile as long as Bodden returns in good health and stays that way.

Agreed. Bodden will be a nice return. But, I have this vision of a Butler/McCourty CB tandem that will be our future for the next 6, 7 seasons.

Not sure how old Bodden is or how much he has left - maybe 2, 3 more seasons?

My memory tells me he has been around for 5,6 seasons already. NFL players have short shelf lives.

 

[Mogamedogz]

As far as I'm concerned, the jury's out. Does Matthew's one-dimensional ability as a pass rusher outweigh the value of Gronkowski's well-rounded abilities both as a receiving and blocking TE? I'm skeptical that the trio of Butler, Tate, and Edelman will all flame out to such an extent as to not tip the scales decisively in the Patriots' favor.

You dont think the Pats could have had both Matthews AND Gronk if they really wanted them?

Edelman could have been had for a burrito and a Tom Brady autograph. Butler and Tate I could live without.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Yeah,We would DEFINATELY have to be drunk or at least BB would if he were to cough up picks to move up to get Andrew Luck like you posted in the other thread

That really didnt make sense... but if you want to debate my Andrew Luck proposition, then use that thread. No need to drag it in here. You know better PFPA.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I couldn't help thnk WHAT IF after watching two particular plays in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl in regards to the 2006 and 2009 draft trades of the Pats with Green Bay that paved the way for the Packers to have TWO playmakers on both offense and defense who made two important plays to seal the championship.

Those 2 plays were the forced fumble of Mendenhall by a flying Clay Matthews who punched it out and the big catch by Jennings who helped serve the knockout punch to the Steelers in that late crucial drive.

A look back at the drafts that eventually helped GB to a Title

2006 Draft - The Pats make a RARE draft move and perhaps the worst move in BBs tenure by trading UP in the draft to #36 to take the all world WR Chad Jackson (sarcasm) leaving Greg Jennings to still be there for the Pack at #52

2009 Draft - Clay Matthews sits for the taking at 23 but the Pats move DOWN this time and the Pack says thanks,I'll take Clay Mathews and the Pats go on to draft Darius Butler

Not to say the 2010 draft wasn't great for the Pats,because it appears at the early indications it was,but there is no doubt the Pats moves in the draft in 2 of the past 4 years are a huge reason why the Packers are World Champions today.

When you look at the moves between the Packers and Patriots,only Rob Gronkowski at this time appears to be in the Patriots favor - Julian Edelman has been good at times but can't be considered a playmaker - Butler and Tate are still unproven and at this point are STs guys more than solidified starters and may or may not be busts...time will tell there but at this point Green Bay has dominated in both draft years moves.

I know,no one has hindsight to know these things would happen and I know other teams had a chance to draft Jennings and Matthews before NE could have, but still in the back of my mind I sit here and say WHAT IF we had those 2 playmakers...would we be holding that trophy this year?

Wow. Quite the convoluted argument there. The Packers should thank the Patriots for their Super Bowl win because they drafted smarter than them on a couple of picks? Irrational...the better teams draft well, and that's all there is to it. You may as well say that the Patriots should thank the Lions or somebody for their three Super Bowl wins. You could probably make a case for any good team to thank anybody else if you dig deep enough, and you are really digging pretty deep here.

 

[Uncle Meat]

If you really want to thank someone, thank Mo Lewis.

 

[IcyPatriot]

yeah and if the Raiders sucked more this year we would
be talking about Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, Von Miller, and Green.

Is this thread serious :confused3:

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I don't understand this post at all.

Sure, the Pats took Chad Jackson. That wasn't what led to Jennings being available for the Packers though. And don't forget the Giants also took a WR before Jennings, Sinorice Rice.

And if the Packers really knew what they had in Greg Jennings, why would they draft Daryn Colledge before him? Colledge went in the 2nd round, 15th overall. Jennings was drafted 5 picks later. Sure, the Pats passed on Jennings twice. But so did the Packers.

As for the Matthews deal, it's easy to look back on now, though I'm still not convinced he'd be a solid fit here. But at the time, he was a walk-on STer (though a good one), and a one-year starter who had 4.5 sacks that year. He had a great combine which put him on the radar of a lot of teams, but really, would you have projected he'd be a 1st round pick? And would you be comfortable taking him with a 1st?

And if we're talking about individual draft picks, why not also look at some of the choices by the Packers during this period? You argue that the Pats passing on some picks that the Packers later made was a key part of their success, but you could argue they'd be a much BETTER team if they hadn't used a 1st round pick in 2007 on Justin Harrell. Or if they spent a 2nd in that draft on someone besides Brandon Jackson. Or we could talk about how the the Packers selected Jordy Nelson with DeSean Jackson still on the board in 2008. Or how they also used 2nd-rounders on Brian Brohm and Patrick Lee.

We made some mistakes. So have they. But that's not why they won the championship. They built a good team through the draft, they hit on a lot of their top picks, they took a few chances on guys (Woodson), and they had a bit of luck (Matthews not being a bust, Rodgers falling so far in the draft). They're an excellent organization, and to suggest they only won because we made a few bad draft choices is silly and detracts from the overall credit they deserve.

 

[BrewCity Cheesehead]

I'm not convinced Matthews deserves a lot of credit on that fumble. Mendenhall had been hit from his left and as a result put the ball in a vulnerable position. The hit by Matthews wasn't particularly hard; if you look at about the 18-second mark of this video he was almost stopped after sidestepping a whiffed block attempt (if you want to call it that).

YouTube - Super Bowl 45: Clay Matthews forces Mendenhall Fumble (HQ)

To my eye, #79 (Ryan Pickett???) was the disruptive force on that play, and Mendenhall was pretty sloppy.

I just got the NFLfilms Packers season highlight DVD, and they show quite a bit of the planning that went into forcing that fumble. I'm going off of memory, but it went something like this:

Steeler's OL coach talking to linemen on sideline: 52 is a pass rusher, they like to attack the ball carrier from behind and try to knock the ball out.
Clay Matthews talking to Packer's OLB coach, Kevin Greene on the sideline They know how we work, so if I take on the block they won't expect it.
Kevin Greene to Matthews before taking the field: Wood is GONE. No one is standing up and rallying the troops. It is time!
Matthews in the huddle: I get the feeling they're pulling this way... they're all looking at me. I think they're running this way.
Matthews yelling to Pickett pre-snap before the fumble: SPILL IT PICKETT, SPILL IT!

I'm not sure what it means to "spill it". Credit has to go to Ryan Pickett as well, but it was Matthews that read the play.