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  1. MrBigglesWorth

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    I've given the guy the benefit of the doubt, and sure he's been hindered by free agent losses. But I just don't get his play calling. It's been awful. There has been little to confuse defenses and exploit their weaknesses. The schemes they employ don't find opne holes in the zones.

    I will say at least they didn't use the I-formation power package early on.

    The guy needs to go now or at the very least at the end of the season.
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    demote? lol FIRE!
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    I guess I was being kind with this time of year.
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    I think we just lack talent. Our receivers are small, slow, or predictable. Our line is not skilled enough to realize the potential of our running game or to protect Brady. I don't think the playcalling was particularly bad. The Pats did a nice job mixing it up, but the execution was terrible. I think it's Dr. Z who said after the Lion's game that the Pats look tired. I think that's true, and I'm not sure what the fix for that is.
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    Why don't you fire BB. He is the one making the play calls.
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    I agree. There wasn't much wrong with the playcalling. We just got mauled all away along the line. Brady had so little time, it was unbelievable. As much as Matt Light's play was a problem, he wasn't the only one. Brady had no time on the Right side, either. Kaczur looked out of his depth at times. I guess we have to see whether there is anyone worth drafting who can handle speed rushers. I would say that we should pick up an FA but they tend to be too expensive to justify their value to a team.
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    Sure, demote him, but how about some breakdowns showing what plays he called that you don't like and what would have worked better? Off the top of my head I'd like to have seen some more running, but I won't make any decision before watching tape.
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    If he's making the calls why do they have an OC? BB comes up with the game plan, JM is responsible for employing it and making adjustments.
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    I love the "why don't you fire BB" argument. Offers no real insight, just another knee jerk argument to mask Josh's horrible playcalling.
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    Did we have a single screen play in the whole game? It was one of our best weapons before. The play calling is pitiful to say the least.
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    Bingo Patters - only a fool would attempt to blame this on an OC. I think they look tired and confused because they are desperately trying to play over their heads to compensate for their lack of natural talent. They are mentally tired. He's also had them in pads all along and already told them they would be in pads through the end of the season. So they are physically tired. Like working them harder will fix it when the problem is they just aren't good enough. And not only are they just not terribly talented, they also aren't the kind of individual players who can compensate for that with heart and determination.

    Belichick blew this season big time. We'll be lucky if Brady doesn't get killed before this is over. Still have the JAGS and Tennessee to deal with. Maybe we need a wake up call so Bill realizes you can't consistently pass of chicken **** salad as chicken salad just by coaching it up.
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    This just isn't one game, this has been building all season long. How about detroit when they finally went to the spread formation at the end of the game, where was that earlier in the detroit game plan?
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    This is not a quick fix. We need a new OC for next year, as well as new WR's, new OLinemen, new DB's, new LB's, new trainers, etc. This is the worst 9-4 team I've ever seen. I have to start blaming a lot of this on injuries now. 3 key offensive rookies didn't play (Maroney, Jackson & O'Callahan), and too many injuries on defense (Wilson, Harrison, Seau, etc). This isn't something new (injuries), and something has to be done about that. Nobody suffers the amazing amount of injuries like the Pats do, year after year, 3 years in a row. That is something that has to be looked at. Injuries are part of football, but there has to be something wrong in the way we train our team. I'm hoping there will be something new as far as our training regiment for next year, like I said, this cannot be a coincidence, 3 years in a row, tons of major injuries. Hell, we lost 2 of our key special teams aces and bakckup safties(Tebucky Jones and Mel Mitchell) before the season even started. We need a lot of changes.
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    Why are you asking me? If you're upset about it go to the tape and chart the plays, breakdown who did their job and who didn't and figure out why the play failed or succeeded. If you can do that you won't need to ask me that question, and you might have some new and interesting insights to the game.
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    The OC didn't do their job for the first to say.
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    Detroit, where a change of pace formation when you're trailing in the fourth might be appropriate? I read the posts all season long complaining about the OC, you are the only one who made any attempt to detail what you didn't like in the heavy formation - but even with that, I'd like to see a chart of the times they've used that formation, the down and distance, whether a pass or run was called, and what the results were. Call me fussy, but when people complained about Ashworth at LT in the Green Bay preseason game last year, going back to the tape showed me a player playing his assignments well. People as late as this year were proclaiming Ty Warren a bust, but he has been the most consistent DL we have when you watch the tape.

    You like the spread formation, but is it a good run formation? Is it the best formation to disguise some of the plays you're planning? You may have liked to have seen it sooner, and if you can chart things out you may be able to convince me. It makes for better discussion if we can work off the same set of data, and what you and I see while CBS is ballwashing someone and bouncing the camera around to see how many Santas are in the stands can become just a tad distorted.
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    I think I understood this sentence, but I still don't know what plays he called that you didn't like and what the execution was on those plays...Welcome aboard neighbor, let's have some fun with game tape breakdowns and such, it always reveals things that surprise me.
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    They tried at least 3 that I saw, all of which were miserable failures.
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    Hmm
    I think we need to look at all the offensive coaches not just Josh McDaniels.

    I don't think the TE's (Pete Mangurian) are being coached correct technique when it comes to reading defenses and catching the ball.
    Too many times have I seen both Watson and Graham catch the ball in their pads. Watson also has a hard time sitting down in zone coverage and he often drifts away from the ball instead of attacking it. In 5 years, Graham has never developed the consistency a first round TE should have in the passing game.
    I mean it was amazing to watch Antonio Gates use precision route running and great fundamentals vs Denver today.
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    How as the screen to Graham a failure? The play broke to a first down. You could hear the crowd groan. Then the man allows himself to get stripped. And the problem is play-calling? The Watson catch was tough. He was open though and there are other NFL players who make that catch. The running game gained yards all day. And the trick play? If Faulk throws the proper pass, the play works for a TD. He doesn't. Don't blame the OC for miserable execution.
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    Well, athough I haven't broken down tape (hey Box, you and Pats 1 looking for partners in crime?;) ), it did seem to my untrained eye that both tackles were outmanned desperately, and Brady never really seemed to have time to set, make reads and throw. He seemed to be moving in the pocket much more than normal and throwing off his front foot alot. It did also seem that no adjustments to this increased pressure were made to buy Brady more time. I did not notice either Pass or Faulk kept in often enough to pick up the free pass rusher coming off the edge. And It seemed that the TE's were running far too many routes and not double teaming the DE's coming off the end often enough.

    This was a day where the WR's needed to carry the load of catching Brady's passes and the TE's and backs were needed for blocking duties. To me, the fact that these adjustments were not made indicate a lack of confidence by the coaching staff in the WR's that one of three could consistently get open on every pass play.

    Well it is my very unprofessional opinion that I would personally rather see incomplete passes thrown to the second row than Brady on his ass all day.

    Just my first pass based on what I saw live, without breaking things down further.
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    Exactly! I can't imagine ANY offensive coordinator anywhere on this planet would have much confidence in the sorry a$$ed bunch of stiffs we have at the WR spot. We don't have a single WR on this roster who is better than a #3 slot WR. Not one.
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    I am all for dumping JM but you really do appreciate Charlie Weis when you see this kid call plays. Charlie always seemed to have good plan going in but was truly great at making the adjustments as the game went on. McDaniel seems clueless in making adjustments and that scares the hell out of me in the playoffs.

    When does Bill step in and do something? Will Vinny start call plays?
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    In all fairness to the kid it's kinda difficult to make adjustments when you have a bunch of JV wideouts at your disposal. I mean it's not like the kid can count on any wideout on the team to make a big play, or to even beat man coverage and get somewhat open for crying out loud. And then when one of those JV wideouts does get open and Brady is afforded time to complete a pass they inevitably fumble the ball .............................
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    All these threads are turning into what the Patriots haters have been doing for years. Patriots haters are divided into two main camps - Belichick is nothing without Brady and Brady is just a product of Belchick's system. Two diametrically opposite arguements.

    Today, it is either McDaniels sucks, Light is terrible, or we have no WRs. If Light is terrible and we have no WRs, doesn't that mean that McDaniels is doing a pretty good job? If McDaniels is truly that bad, maybe Light and our WRs are pretty good.

    I thought this was a bad game all around, but I don't see these things as black and white blame issue. I saw us losing the battle in the trenches, the battle of field position, the turnover battle, and the penalty battle today. Only so much of these things can be pinned on one area whether it is the coaching, the o-line, or the WRs. All would have to play their part to fail this miserably as we did today. If McDaniels called a perfect gameplan, I don't think our o-line would have still overcome that rush. We couldn't do anything to stop Donnie Jones' perfect punts. McDaniels couldn't stop Graham from fumbling that ball. There was so many things wrong today and a lot of them can't fall on anyone other than the players themselves.
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    Box O Rocks which game tape do you watch?
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    We only ran four of them. Two wide reciver screens and two RB screens. All led to completed passes anfd about 3 to 5 yards. The Phins were looking for them. Didn't you watch the game?
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    Bingo! We have Bingo!:rocker:

    Now watch out, people aren't going to like a thoughtful and reasoned statements interferring with their rants.
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    I think the bigger story is lack of hot routes so Brady could throw to someone quickly with the pressure. Either they're not in the offense scheme or the wr's aren't adjusting.

    The Pats had this issue last year when they got knocked out of the playoffs by Denver. It took them a while to adjust to the blitzing, particularly Lynch.

    They need to put in a quick outlet otherwise teams will keep blitzing them and Brady will continue to get hammered.
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    and i agree the OC is to blame and even the coach for letting it occur. i know i'm committing blashemy

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