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  1. mgteich

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    In 2007, the patriots had one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL. Once Brady is up to 100%, we could have an even better offense this year.

    QB the same
    RB We've added a HOF running back; Evans needs to be replaced.
    WR I think that we need to add one, but some think that Lewis can carry the load.
    TE We've added a top blocking TE.
    OL The OL that set the records has been kept intact.
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    The defense had an easy job when the offense was putting up 30-40 points a game. No?
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    I'm not so sure. Brady and Moss are older, Gaff and Stallworth and their contributions are gone, TFB is coming off some injury that I read about, but most of all I think the surprise factor that allowed the Pats to blow out so many teams early 2007 will not be there.

    I'm expecting a great O in 2009, just not 2007 great. And I'm fine with that.
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    I would be happy we are at 95% of what the offense did in 2007 and the defense is able to step up and make THAT crucial play if the offense fails in 2009.
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    You want a better Offense than 2007 than maybe we should get a wide out at 23 or 34....Heyward-Bey perhaps
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    But will Special Teams be better?
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    not with moss older and brady coming off injury with no stallworth.

    20-30 ppg. trouble with tough defenses.

    this team needs a good defense because the O is going to be nothing at all like 07. let's get real here.
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    and the defense. Personally, i think the upgraded D (yes im including what i hope will be another good draft on D) is what will help make this years offense great. Its about all 3 phases, and like Box pointed out, special teams needs to improve. Though, i think BB is already trying to improve the ST's....Lets not forget, we still have Ventrone. The guy can play every position :D
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    Here's my prediction for the Pats this year...

    5-1 in the AFCE

    3-1 in the AFCS

    1-1 against Baltimore/Denver

    3-1 against NFCS

    12-4
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    Unlike some of the fans here, I would be very happy with 12-4.
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    Me too, but I also said I'd be happy at 10-6 or 11-5 last year thinking it would win the AFC East. 12-4 SHOULD do it though. IMO, they will not have a better offense, but I do believe they'll have a better defense than 2007 and that will be all the difference.
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    The intangibles are a big factor here, though.

    -Brady fired up after having missed a season
    -Moss fired up because Brady's back
    -Moss fired up knowing he doesn't have too many years left to get a ring
    -Taylor fired up (like No. 28 in 2004) to get a ring
    -Welker fired up because he's always fired up
    -Watson fired up -- oh, well, you can't have everything.

    14-2
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    I think it's very possible that 2007 team was the greatest offensive team ever assembled.

    Reaching that height again, is highly unlikely.
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    I think the upcoming offense has huge potential, but it depends on several things.

    It starts with Brady. I personally believe that he'll have enough time to prepare that he should not be that rusty for the season opener. I also think he's going to come back VERY hungry.

    Moss' age won't be an issue this year. With Brady coming back, he'll be coming back hungry too. Depending on what the Pats do for a #3 WR, I wouldn't be surprised to see them put up 20+ touchdowns again.

    I think the OL will come back with a mission. If they stay healthy, I think Brady will rarely hit the ground. This offense is going to protect Brady like never before.

    We also have signed a good TE AND Fred Taylor. These two new threats should open up things for the WR's.

    I think the Defense will be much improved this year. Their problem last year was injuries. Barring a huge injury bug like last year, and likely a vastly improved secondary, I believe the Defense will give the Offense more opportunities and time on the field than 07. There's a lot of young talent on the D this year that's coming back healthy, and a crapload of draft picks to sort it all out.

    Injuries, injuries, injuries. If the team can stay relatively healthy this year, I expect the O to be sick. Maybe not 07 sick, but they have a shot to be. I won't guess at a record until preseason is almost over.
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    I think Donte Stallworth was vastly underated in what he brought to the O..

    I think the running Game is going to be very good

    I would like to see another O line man picked up..

    The LB, needs to be adress, tBC is not the replacement for Vrabel.. Still feel moves need to be made..

    I know one thing, Tom Brady will have a very live arm...
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    The offense doesn't have to be anything like it was in 2007. I'd actually like a more consistent running game to complement the passing and run some time off the clock (for obvious reasons, the Pats "lost" a lot of the time of possession battles in 2007).

    Give me a solid, top-10 offense and a defense that can get off the field on third down, and I'll be happy.

    12-4 would be great, as long as they improve as the season goes along and get into the playoffs in peak form. :rocker:
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    with the addition of baker, it gives the pats the best 2 TE set they have had since graham left, so the need to replace evans is less........not to mention the fact that both taylor and maroney excel as lone setbacks.........maroney's worst success is running behind a fullback
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    I'd be happy with this record too.....as long as we make the playoffs.
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    This is a classic case of perception not equaling reality.

    The Pats were second in the NFL in time of possession in 2007. They dominated TOP in their first 2 playoff games and then lost the TOP battle to the Giants. The Super Bowl is remebered as the Giants dominating time of possession when in fact it was 30:30-29:30.
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    That may be true, but the 2007 Pats were unbalanced between the passing and running game, and it came back to hurt them towards the end of the season and especially in the SB.

    The 2009 Pats offense probably won't put up as many points as 2007 or set passing and receiving TD records, but I think it will be more balanced and therefore ultimately better.
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    Yes, but does that get us in the playoffs?!?
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    Did we not have Kyle Brady in 2007?
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    I think the offense will be really great this coming year. With Brady having all that rest to his arm/shoulder he will be nice and fresh.

    I didn't compare stats before I wrote this, but maybe Moss took it a little bit easy last season to kind of rest up for this year since he and Brady will be hooking up for the long ball frequently.

    Having Lewis will definately switch things up on offense as well as some one else calling the shots/plays. It could look totally different.

    If we get Springs to work with Hobbs the sencondary will improve. I also think the rest of the defense will be addressed in the draft.
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    yep........in name only.......he turned out to be a dud
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    I dont know how we could be happy with winning 1 more game with Brady than we won with Matt Cassel.
    Everything I see says 14-2 should be where the bar is set.
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    :nono: Beware the comparisons to '08. Much, much tougher schedule this year. No more beating up on the AFC and NFC West divisions.
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    Where do people get such notions as this? How the hell did the unbalanced attack hurt a 16-0 team?

    It's been over a year, people. It's time to stop with the silliness about that team. Despite Brady not being 100% and the injuries to Faulk and Neal, the Patriots fell less than 3 minutes short of becoming the first NFL team in history to go unbeaten in a 19 game season. The unbalanced passing can hurt the team like that every year as far as I'm concerned, although I'd like that 3 minutes to work out differently.
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    Well, The schedule is going to be a WHOLE lot tougher this year, so you can't really say that 12-4 vs the group of teams we are playing this year is a disappointing result with Brady as the QB.

    I'd say that if we had to play this schedule with Cassel fresh of the back-up position, he would not have does as well as he did vs. that relatively weak 2008 schedule.

    Dig it?
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    Kyle Brady was abysmal.
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    Seriously, this argument is - to be dialectically correct - "retahded."

    In the 2007, we out-rushed our opponents by 277 yards.
    Of our 75 TD's that year, 25 came in the run game. That seems on par with a league that has largely become pass-oriented and considering our QB ranks slightly above other-worldly with dope receivers.

    It's also worth mentioning, for all the hate he gets, Watson caught 6 TD passes in 2007. By comparison Welker caught 8. We all know what Randy did. There is no doubt that as Brady returns to form, this team gets a LOT better offensively with no moves made. If the new guy (Greg VonSpeediefeets) turns up as a replacement for Gaffney, but with afterburners Jabar doesn't have, he could very well best Gaff's 5 TD's in 07.

    I feel confident that this offense will be every bit as potent as 2007 and with an improved Run Game thanks to the discovery of how potent the RB committee can be, It wouldn't surprise me to see us eclipse the TD total of 2007. Even though the schedule is tougher than 2008, the team is going to be as deadly, if not more-so, as 2007.

    As long as the D improves to mid-decade form (which I think is very possible), this team is almost assured of ripping the league a new one after a possibly shaky start.

    Let's all just agree not to slit our wrists if things don't look pristine by game #2.
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