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    I was watching the kick-off of Obama's train ride to Washington on both CNN and Fox this moring. Obama seems to be inspiring everyone based upon what I witnessed so far. Even the guys on Fox are swooning over him....Harry must be getting pissed off!

    This country is in dire need of inspiration and leadership. We are a country in crisis. The next 4 days are going to be interesting, inspiring, emotional and HISTORIC....Personally, I'm the most excited about an incoming president as I've ever been in my lifetime.

    I'd love to read other's thoughts.

    The Obama express....all aboard! Everyone is invited. There are no blue states or red states, only the United States of America. Get aboard or get left behind.
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    You don't want to read my thoughts........................:singing::singing:
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    I don't think this train would stop to pick up someone like you anyway Harry!:p
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    Inspiring ? All he's done is talk DOWN everything recently, because he is probably realizeing "Change You Can Believe In" is just that - make believe. I asked in the other thread with no response - at what point will Obama be responsible for not turning things around ? Or will he get a pass forever for following Bush ? 100 days ? 6 months ? 1 year ? How long does "Change You Can Believe In" take ? I'd like the Obama Ball Lickers on the record so they have something to answer to.
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    It's a new f*cking President, no different from if McCain had won other than Obama's insistence on using his middle name in the inauguration - interestingly, the middle name his people were so agitated at McCain's people using. Weird.

    I guess Biden finds it historic :

    Me ? I didn't look at Obama and think "wow, a clean black guy"; I just saw a crazed liberal.
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    BF...Change is all in the effort. Sometimes the results are beyond human will. So if you think any president would be a failure if they can't turn the economy around, you're just plain wrong.

    I have said many time that our recession is not Bush's fault. In all honesty, that's a fact, not an opinion. No one, not even a US president has he power to create booms or recessions by themselves. And conversely, no one can fix a recession. You know that I've said this all along.

    If you're just sitting there hoping and waiting Obama fails, then you're a sad, sad man. I doubt that's the case, however. So why don't we all "try" to be positive? God knows there's enough negativity to go around for lifetime.

    You know deep down that the man seems fairly brilliant. You must get the feeling he is sincere, so why not just believe that he will do everything within his power and the power of his office to help this country? I think Bush actually tried his best, but his intellectual capacity fell way short for the office.
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    The FACT is, this is different. You can deny that, but you're not accepting reality. This FAR, FAR more exciting than if McCain had won. That guy was a "dead man walking" on an inspirational level. And there would have been no big historical milestone.

    If you disagree with me, the world will confirm that the historical-ness of Obama taking office is in fact THE most historical presidential moment in our history. Watch it closely and you'll find that world interest will be about 20 times that of any other US president.

    Why do you sound full of resentment BF. You don't have a single reason to feel that way. And that's another fact.
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    I won't be watching. I'm not resentful, I just don't agree with him. I don't care one way or another that he's (half) black, I care that I think he's a liberal loon and agree with almost nothing. If he gets us off middle east oil like he says he will then I will think that's great - but I don't see it happening.
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    Where have I said I hope he fails ? I just want to know how long we should expect to wait for "Change You Can Believe In" because that's what we were promised and that's what people voted for.
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    The one thing that is repeated over and over again when people look back at JFK's term, "he gave us hope".


    DITTO.
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    Every Mistake Jug Ears Makes Will Be Blamed On Bush.

    His Groupies Believe He Can Walk On Water And Turn Water Into Wine The Rest Of The People Know Him For What He Is, A Slick Politician Who has Been Gifted With The Ability To Be The Greatest Bullsh!t Artist This Country Has Ever Known.

    He is no better or no worse than all those other scum bags in Washington

    I have just been watching MSNBC (obama channel) they all have their little democrat Grins pasted on their silly faces and every time they say the name Barack Obama they all look like they want to Masturbate.

    Poor Old Pant Suit Hillary this "golden god" came out of nowhere, took the job she sold her soul for and now to top that off he's her Boss
    ...:singing::singing::singing:
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    Hope isn't going to do it. One of L.A.'s high school just announced a 56% dropout rate. We need people to dig in a get themselves turned around - dropping out and hoping ? Nope.
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    #24 Jersey

    On another note, on one of CNN's polls they did a few weeks back, Bush's approval rating was atrocious. Something like 80-20 that were not in favor of him. Then, yesterday, Obama comes out and says, "I think Bush is a good guy". Suddenly people are swayed. The immediate poll results were 60% of people agreeing that Bush is a good guy while 40% said no.

    This wasn't really a "statement" that I was looking to make. Just an observation. It's amazing what good dialogue can do. It's also amazing how many people around this country are absolutely blind when it comes to politics.
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    Whoa, Whoa nelly.........I wouldn't go that far. Ever heard of a guy named Washington, George I believe... When he was inaugurated as President, it was historical as democracy set up a system for the peaceful transition of power with a constitution to codify the rights of individuals and those given to a government......

    Not to mention Lincoln or FDR who took over and led in more troubled times...... Is it a monumental change that shows how far we've evolved as a nation? Absolutely. Is it "THE most historical"? Not, not by a long shot.....
    PR, you're usually on top of things so I'll write this off as hyperbole and exuberance but let's give ti some time to see what happens.....
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    Anyone hear that guy sing the national anthem in Baltimore before the messiah came out? I so wanted him to sing Choclate Rain
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    Great question imo. I was listening to a roundtable,Lehrer I think-not sure-anyway that same question was posed but specific to the Gitmo closing.
    The consensus was that if Obama didn't close it within 100 days of taking office, he'll own it.

    I think most Americans realize everything he's inheriting and that some things are more of a priority than others depending upon your perspective. However,the country's in a mess on so many fronts it becomes a matter of debate which crisis he should move on first. That said IMO he's compelled to do something decisive almost immediately; what that something may be can be argued 10 ways to Sunday because that's how many things are on his desk screwed up. Regardless of that, he needs to take some actions on a couple of (or more) top priorities within his first 100 days or so.

    If he doesn't, I'm not so sure the majority of Americans are in enough of a forgiving,pro-government mood just to turn a blind eye and not demand answers. No matter the political affiliation, the anger and angst in this country is palpable. By the time this dog-and-pony show winds down and we've all had a couple of days to discuss how awesome everything was, John Q. Public is going to be ready for some "change", or at the very least a move which demonstrates that it will compel change.

    The media will also have a lot of influence on public mood, as it always seems to.

    I buy the need to try and personify hope to the country and to the world because I think people need that right now. But turning him into something holy is beyond ridiculous in fact it creeps me out a little. I voted for him if that makes any difference.
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    I do want to be clear that this isn't the easiest time to be the incoming President. My question wasn't meant to suggest that. But his campaign was "Change You Can Believe In" with the obvious implication that things will get better; presumably in his first term. The way he's been talking down the economy it's clear that he now thinks it won't be that soon. But if, say, two years from now little has changed will that still be Bush's fault ? I think about 25% of Obama voters think that after about a month that we'll have a million manufacturing jobs back.
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    Yep, that drop out rate is really bad, as it is in a number of places. I'm guessing right there in D.C. its nearly as bad if not worse. I'll tell you something that was worse, civil rights in the 60's. JFK gave us hope.

    Ditto.
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    I'm willing to give Obama a shot. If the none of the stimulus goes directly to the people that's gonna turn me off big time.
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    I think everyone is. That doesn't mean that we have to ride the Obama Express with PR else be called resentful. As for stimulus going to the people, it needs to go to something that can help for the long term, not just be a handout to those who just sit at home.

    I'd start by paying anyone on welfare minimum wage but it has to be for 40 hours of work picking up trash, cleaning up graffiti, etc. No work - no money.
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    I don't know why ideas like this don't get more play. Politicians have talked about similar options concerning college and the military. Nothing ever becomes of it.
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    I'd start by putting together government backed mortgages for people who have paid their mortgage 4 or more years(and good credit) and they could refinance into a rate of 2-3%.

    better the government gets our interest money and with lower rates people would have more expendable income to spend in an economy that is 70% driven by consumer spending
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    In 2 years something HAS to change or else a lot of conditions that are a disaster now will then become epic catastrophies. He needs to get something going so that things will begin to improve,even if gradually.

    In 2 years people should be talking about the effectiveness of any new enactments,policies,laws,whatever, he's begun, rather than when is he going to enact something. What Obama's going to own is how he deals with what he's been handed. I'll be thrilled if the economy's changed in 2 years.

    We need a couple of things to actually manufacture before there'll be a million new jobs in a year, nevermind in a month.
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    Gitmo:
    We have prisons all over this country that treat prisoners far worse than Gitmo does, what is it about Gitmo that gets the left wing democrats in such a state of knee jerking blubbering outrage, could it be that Gitmo is "The Chimps" Gitmo, that Idiot Moron, the Fighter Pilot who got drunk and went AWOL, that little Bow Legged mumbling fool who came up from Texas and Kicked The Sh!t out of them at the polls, "TWICE"

    Whaaaaaaaa, boo hoo, momy mommy, thats not fair Bush isn't supposed to win he's a moron, he stole it mommy, I hate that Bush mommy.

    Dingobat Reporter
    "Mr Bush, Your a stupid idiot, your a drunk, your a moron, you mumble"

    Mr Bush
    "Yeah, but I won, twice"
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    Your memory is faulty. How did he kick the sh!t out of them 'twice' (He lost the popular vote). Nixon is considered a loser, he also won twice.
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    Gitmo's a topic unto itself but it's an example of something Obama had promised to act on right away and now may not be able to because of logistics. Nobody wants these prisoners and if they end up here in the US I'll be here ranting fo' sho. Anyway that's why the roundtable opined 100 days before he owns the problem. We have the largest prison industry in the world and we house the most prisoners of any country. BTW here in MA you see prisoners picking up the trash along the interstates,and they're probably paid like $1.00 a week to do it. It's a Slave Labor Market that's taking jobs,even menial ones like that,away from down-and-out people. Why pay minimum wage to a tax-paying person when you can get a prisoner to do it for a pittance.On top of that, we get to pay those slave wages out of our tax money.
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    I voted for the guy, but I am not at all pleased thus far. His picks for cabinet positions reflect the usual corrupt insiders (geithner, #1). Lots of talk, but little change. I know he hasn't even taken office yet, but I'm very skeptical. Until I see some of these Wall St. MFers taking a perp walk, I remain unconvinced. Also, Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted as well, but I know it will be a cold day in hell before I see that. BTW, neither of those two can travel overseas because they would be arrested and tried for war crimes! The rest of the world has their moral chit more together than this corrupt and crumbling empire in which we live. I'm glad I don't have children.
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    can I say that it is interesting that not one person has been brought up on chargers of fraud?

    only a house arrest thus far.
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    And Madof's house is probably a pretty nice place to be confined in:D
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    yeah I just started the John Adams HBO series and gets you thinking. do any of us really think we're really represented on the state or federal level?

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