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  1. DarrylS

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    Interesting group here, seem to exist primarily in reaction to a possible infringement of Posse Comitatus... without regard find it interesting that these guys are allowed to deface the military uniform, by wearing this patch along with the 3 percenters... the founder Stewart Rhodes was formerly in the employ of Ron Paul.. so that may mean something.

    The picture captioned here also shows the Nyberg Battle Flag.. wtf is going on with our military, is no one paying attention????

    Looks like more hysteria... not sure anyone has ever spoken of using the military to control the cities, except those from the right on this board who want to take over Chicago....

    Oath Keepers Blog Archive Active Duty Troops In Iraq Are Wearing Oath Keeper Tabs: “… what we are wearing while over here in Iraq”
     
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    #24 Jersey

    There's really nothing in that picture that screams "REAL SOLDIER IN COMBAT" is there? I mean, there's the header which says it came from a warzone but that's about it. There's nothing there that even says all that stuff is being worn by a real soldier anywhere for that matter.

    Halloween IS coming up soon, after all.

    As for the sidebar with all the "We Won't's" - it looks more like outright paranoia and a touch of a coward's wishful thinking than hysteria. Hysteria usually has some small bit of truth in it. That sh*t's just plain crazy.

    I always wonder why all these militia-type organizations don't just enlist in the armed forces or join a police department and really see action instead of constantly preparing for something which isn't going to happen?

    I figure it's one of two reasons - 1) They're cowards - all talk and no action, or 2) They can't pass either the physical or the mental evaluations necessary to prove they're capable of handling the job.
     
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    Certainly looks like someone in uniform, the backdrop looks like a tent and all the equipment looks like army issue stuff... if you blow it up, hard not to think it is...
     
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    PS, the promise keepers were a copycat million-man march as I recall, getting redstater right-wing expressedly Christian males to march on DC in 97... like the "million man march" they drew a few hundred thousand, but let's not get back to the counting game. It actually was a huge event (unlike the anemic tea party recently.) What I find interesting is that twelve years ago precisely the same demographic were reacting to marital infidelity by a president, and were acting all upright and prayerful... now there's no infidelity excuse, so it's just unalloyed hate. I suppose we should count ourselves a tad better than we thought, since the numbers have actually declined sharply from the days when they actually had something to complain about, however irrelevant it may have been.

    By the way, a prominent promise keeper? Mark Sanford.

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    Not quite sure what is the biggest threat to our democracy.. military madness or religious zealotry???... and when they mix a shytstorm ensues...
     
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    "You got your peanut butter on my chocolate!..."

    Why choose, Darryl? Two great tastes that taste great together.
     
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    Probably will have the same effect on my arteries as well....
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Unless you're familiar with photo-shop - or military surplus stores - or military uniform code enforcement - or all three. The consensus on more than a few military boards is that no one would ever get away with that kind of uniform defacement - the military is pretty strict on what can and cannot be worn as a patch.

    For whatever reason, the thing irritates me. Enough so that I've sent the link and a request to FactCheck.Org for either confirmation or debunking.
     
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    Good idea,I was thinking of sending it to the Sec of Defense and Jack Reed my senator...
     
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    With the newer velcro patches versus the older sewn on ones, it's easier to take off the original patch (flag w stars facing forward) and replace it with oathkeepers one for the photo and then go back to required one. It may be real but only have been worn for a few seconds....This looks like it is a Velcro one with overlap of the patch on the flag...
     
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    I've never served; but it occurs to me that by putting that patch on their uniforms aren't the 3% saying that the other 97% don't respect the oath they took? That the 97% just said 'Yeah whatever, let me at the guns.' when it was time for them to swear.

    What's next? Will these guys come up with a patch that says:

    We're the soldiers that won't run away when the shooting starts.
     
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    what is so wrong with people expressing their discontent with our federal gov't?

    You guys should all be ashamed of yourselves for criticizing or trying to blow the whistle on people who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. They are doing more than what you guys are.

    Watch the three percenter video on youtube - it is not a racist/terrorist/anything else you can villify movement - it is a movement born out of the frustrations of our gov't's failing policies both foreign and domestic.

    It's not just a movement expressing frustrations with our Fed. Gov't, they also put together care packages for our men and women who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan (they also include these patches in their care packages).

    I proudly sympathize with them. And I proudly support the 2nd ammendment because gun control doesn't work - when all guns are stripped of the law abiding, only criminal organizations and their members will be armed - instead of declaring war on guns, declare war on the laws that make the law abiding citizen affraid to shoot back - if an Arizona rancher takes out a firearm to protect his family and property from people trying to illegally enter this country from mexico, you can damn sure bet that the ATF will be knocking on his door - does that really sound right to you, if so, you seriously need to wake up.
     
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    You are aware that the U.S. military is part of the U.S. government, right?

    You do know that deployed soldiers, and for that matter, all militias, are subject to the direct orders of the President of the United States, right?

    You do know where he gets that power, don't you? I am sure you keep a copy on you, just for show, of course: The U.S. Constitution.

    If what you are saying is that the "3 percenters" and "Oath Keepers" mean only to declare their allegiance really, really, a lot to their chain of command, you have a point.

    If not, I don't quite get what "oath" they're keeping. It's certainly not to the constitution of the United States of America. Do they have their own special supreme court that says otherwise? Or perhaps a shadow government that knows better?

    You're our local rep, apparently - why not fill us in?

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    There's nothing wrong with doing that. I won't deny my refusal to shut up when Bush was in the big chair and I ain't hypocritical enough to change my stance now. However, when you join the military you give up certain rights. The one where you get to decide what you wear for example.

    I'll ask you the question I asked last October. What are these 3 percenters saying about all the other guys?
     
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    This president we now have should have had us out of Iraq months ago, he seems to be still following all of the hated Bush policys.

    Obama's wars are killing the same people that the Bush wars were killing but we don't hear as much whailing and weeping as we did a couple of years ago..........:confused:
     
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    Find it interesting that this whole violation of the second amendment "outrage" is situational at best, to the best of my knowledge there has been no efforts to do anything with the second amendment.. in fact this administration signed a bill allowing guns in National Parks..

    Your argument and rhetoric is just more right wing hysteria...

    Where were the "Oath Keepers" when the military was sent to a country based on lies and half truths??
     
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    Man, I can't believe I actually agree with Mrs. P's comments I read in your reply to her.

    I fuggn' HATE militia people....PERIOD! Yes, they are very scary people...loosers? ABSOLUTELY! But still scary to me.

    "Hey, anyone wanna grab your gun and play army in the woods?":rolleyes:
     
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    Threepercenter's post caused me to look up more about the Oath Keepers, fascinating and I'm glad you resurrected this. After a mini-vaca my time's limited this morning :( but it sounds like their oath is to not obey unlawful orders (unlawful meaning orders which go against the Constitution).

    Oath Keepers Blog Archive Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey

    And principles they swear to defend:
    Oath Keepers: Principles of Our Republic Oath Keepers Are Sworn to Defend

    They (basically) swear not to turn on the American people if I got this right?
     
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    My thoughts:
    Upon inspection, I would say this is a real Army soldier in Iraq, I would guess 2006-2008? I highly doubt as recent as 2009. My guess is either a private/specialist 25C, or a sgt 21 series. His gear is very likely purchased from a magazine such as Ranger Joes. He put the patches on, took the picture, and took them off again. I would deduce that he is a loner or has few friends within his unit and he is often the butt of jokes, completely unrelated to the oathkeepers or 3percenters.
     

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