Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by shakadave, Sep 7, 2007.
I'll let the thread title speak for itself.
And I'll let the course of the entire season do that talking. I'm guessing that will speak much louder than this one game, but it won't be saying the same thing.
The Colts defense is very good as long as Bob Sanders is healthy. The minute he's out they become ineffective in multiple areas. Although the LB Keiaho looked good too.
If they can keep that up like they did last night, they'll be damn scary. Holy-Cow scary. Fast, swarming to the ball, hard hitting, aggressive.... Gads, Bob Sanders is a beast.
Imagine how scary they would have been to Brees last night if the zebras called a few of those 4 or 5 obvious holds on Freeney.
No one has mentioned Freddy Keiaho who came up big last night with 6 tackles, all hard hits. He's got Colts fans saying, "Cato who?"
You can run on them. Bring Sanders up and then hit them deep. Problem is, you need a good defense to be able to make the commitment to the run.
Keep in mind they are a different defense outside of that dome. The crowd noise helps those defensive ends immensely.
They certainly looked good against New Orleans. But just in case they fall apart in week 2, keep in mind that you can reuse this thread title with just a couple of minor tweaks:
"The Myth of the Week: Colts Defense"
When they play with heart they are "GOOD" but still not "GREAT". I guess with Manning as QB "GOOD" is good enough.
I saw that too. The Saints tried to stall the pass rush but couldn't. The Colts D were waiting for the short stuff because they knew NO couldn't protect Brees for long.
I saw McAlister blow right through a Bob Sanders tackle for a first down. That was a down hill run for him though. For some reason NO kept trying to run off tackle. But that played into Indy's strength.
Yeah the Saints were not going to pull it off.
Could we merge all the freakin colts threads into one? As I recall, we play the Jets this Sunday.
There are 11 freaking threads on page 1 of a PATRIOTS fan message board about the freakin Colts.
Let's not go overboard. They looked really good last night, but it was one game. As it was pointed out in other threads, the first game of the season can be deceiving and all you have to do is look at the 31-0 drumming of the Pats by the Bills in 2003.
One thing that would concern me if I was a Colts' fan is that they did show in the first half that they can be exposed by teams that are good at the ball control offense. It isn't Brees' game and he was able to march down the field pretty easily. I think stupid calls on third down hurt the Saints more on offense than the Colts. It was Sean Payton's impatience in the second half and giving up on what was working that allowed the Colts' defense to really shine.
If a team can put together long drives like the Saints mounted early, it will ground the Colts' offense too. From what I saw in the first half, I like Brady's and the Pats' offense's chances against the Colts' defense. The Colts' defense isn't a team you want to air it out on, but I think you can put together a lot of long substained drives against them.
Thats par for the course with Freeney. The man gets tackled outright several times a game and held every other play. Its always been that way.
The Colts looked every bit as good defensively - possibly even better - against Pitt in the 2005 regular season. They were jacked and pumped about making a statement about the worthiness of their championship.
I am still not sold on Indy's D just yet.
There's plenty of missed holds that could be called on that Colts O-line too. They say it's one of those penalties that could be called every down.
Good call. It's one game folks. For a team one year removed from being historically bad on defense, especially run defense.
Plus, the Saints were God-awful last night, really bad. And I'm not sure if it was because of the Colt's or not. Like I said, its one game. We'll know more in a few weeks.
Let's at least put an end to the sentiment --- heard occasionally --- that the Colts are no longer a top rival for a championship. If Sanders makes as much difference as he is commonly credited with, let's insert him into any MVP conversations. Let's remember that if the Colts' vulnerability on D is power running, then we're not the team to exploit that. Let's realize that a safety duo of Sanders and Wilson is not a shoe-in to stop that receiving squad. And one more thing. Let's beat the living snot out of Indy.
Their defense is also vunerable to the short pass. That clearly isn't Brees' forte.
I thought the Saints' 3rd down playcalling was absolutely atrocious last night. They tried to force the ball to Bush WAY too much.
Yeah, they killed that opening drive that the Colts had no answer for with a Bush draw on 3rd and 6.
This game means nothing till we see more of that 'defense'
Ask yourself this...
Was the Indianapolis Colts defense really THAT good last night?,OR Was the New Orleans Saints Offense just out of synch and rusty?
The Colts hired a defensive coach for a reason. They have managed last year and in one game this year to mask the personnel deficiencies and emphasize the strengths. this is to their credit, they are a great team right now.
The major problem with exploiting the Colts weakness on D is that you need to run he ball and pass short.
Because of their ability to score points in bunches, exploiting this weakness might give you a lot of yards and T.O.P., but not enough points to win.
When trying to pass, their quickness and star players Freeney and Sanders pressure and go for turnovers which lead to points.
Give credit to their organization, even A-hole Polian (very smart, but still an a-hole) they're not Champs because they have the best players at every position, but because they execute game plans with the D complementing the O, much like the Pats have with a defensively oriented ball control approach in the past.
BTW, their defense can be exploited by a lot more than power running and running up the gut might not even be the best method.
I think putting strong or quick players in the soft spot in position to break tackles for big gains might be more effective. You can't just eat up ground, you have to score to open up the run and longer pass. Think Maroney, Watson and Welker screens and pics (not that we'd do that). Even short passes to Moss. Quick stuff. Make them tackle one on one in space.
Oh whatever. You bunch of chicken littles.
We dropped 32 points on that defense, we can drop 41 on them this year. The issue with the Colts is, as always, can you stop their offense.
You guys are really getting ahead of yourselves. Remember the second Monday night game of the season last year, when Jacksonville's D completely shut down Pittsburgh's offense? Everybody's talkin' super bowl? Well, turns out the Steelers just weren't that great up front, and we went to Jacksonville and dropped 28 on them.
Relax. It's the Colts. You knew they were going to show up. They're good. But we're better. If you stop Addai and account for Dallas Clark, you will beat the Colts. The Pats did it in 2004, Chargers in 2005, the Cowboys last year.
They're always beatable. They'll have another 12-4 season this year, but the Saints are not exactly an AFC powerhouse team.
since its the latest colts thread I will reply to this one. Given that we have been starved from "real" football since February and last nights game is all we have until Sunday then I can understand 11 threads on the PFF.
The Colts did look good last night (not just good but dominating). However as many have pointed out it is the first game, they had extra adrenalin from the flag unfurling (dont we know that one!), and the crowd got behind them in the second half after falling relatively quiet during the second quarter.
Anyone else get the feeling that Peyton was punishing David for that fumble recovery TD? Of course the first one came before the Saints only TD, but the other two looked like PM was dishing out a spanking. Of course the stats will show another 3 TD's but they were just too easy (at least half dozen other NFL QB's could have done the same). He didnt look so good in the first half when the Saints got some pressure on him. However the coaching staff did a great job of making adjustments at half time and the Colts came out blazing.
Which brings me to my point, which is why the hell were there no adjustments from the Saints? I guess Sean Payton has let the '06 season go to his head with runner up to COTY award. He was downright awful. Deuce only got 10 carries for heaven's sake, and (as another poster pointed out) they spent the night trying to run off the tackle. Bush only got 12 carries but haven't they taught him not to dance before the LOS? With Horn gone the Saints had no deep threat whatsoever and (where have you seen this one before) the Colts crowded the LOS... killing any chance for Bush to gain much ground and forcing Brees to dink and dunk. Another poster suggested that is not Brees's game, but he is nothing if not accurate. I think the problem is that they were completely outcoached and had little practice at the short passing game, and the WRs were constantly out of position. Again this comes back to the coach - why didnt he change his game plan? It was flawed from the outset and the more he played it the happier and more confident the Colts became.
So in the end I cant really hand it to the Ponies, as much as they did play a good game (really do like Addai) the real reason they looked so good was the Saints were absolutely dreadful. Luckily they play Tampa next week and may shine briefly, but last nights game showed their limitations and as a result I cant see the playoffs in their immediate future with what they brought to Indie's dome.
8-0 in the dome last year, IIRC. They did not have a winning record on the road (4-4).
Hopefully, this year they will be no better than 7-1 at home.
The defense looked okay to me. Sanders was terrific. But as a RB, Reggie isn't any better than he was last year. They did good stopping Duece, though.
Too early to make any predictions as to which defense they have, one like last year's regular season, or one like they had in the playoffs.
Always a tough question to answer...
Look, #12 lite them up last year to the tune on 30 + points with Caldwell and Gaffney.
WHy would I not think that #12 can do it again, with Welker, Stallworth and Moss.
Come on people it was one game.
Let's not forget who our team is.
Last night did not show me something that i did not already see.
BB has designed the 2007 Patriots to beat the Colts.
I'm not worried. In BB I trust.
The defence did good against saints for few reasons
1)They were playing shallow cover 2 with 8 man fronts and they did not goto max protect formation and send 2 WR deep.
2)Trying to run around smaller+faster defenders instead through them.
3)When the LOS was being lost they did not put 3WR ,bush in the slot and duece in the backfield spreading the 8/9 man fronts helping the OL.
4)When one is having trouble running they did not put brees in shotgun for entire drives with 4 WR.
their entire defence is setup for shallow cover 2 if you spread them and create matchup problems this would have been a fun game instead it was very sad to see .
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