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    Oppositional may be a better word..
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    Scalia and Thomas are reliable conservative votes. For every justice, including the very liberal Stevens, I'm sure you can find the rare case where their Constitutional principles compel them to support a view they might personally hold.

    In addition, logic tells me that on a conservative court, the conservatives can more easily railroad an opinion, while liberals need to be more nuanced in order to win over one of the conservatives. I would bet that when the court had a liberal majority, the conservatives tried to frame their opinions in a way that could win over one of the majority.
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    Actually the most independent SC Justice is Ginsburg... as she only sides with the majority 47% of the time..
    Roberts, Alito and Thomas all side with the majority 72%
    Scalia 76%
    Kennedy 89%
    Breyer 62%,
    Souter 55%
    Stevens 53% of the time

    Supreme Court Roundup (washingtonpost.com)
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    She is regarded as one of if not the most liberal justices on the bench, no way in hell she is the most independent justice. That title belongs to the moderate Kennedy.

    Take a look at one of the tables in there and their "tends to agree" table and it's more likely Kennedy is the most independent as he has agreed each of the other justices more than half the time on non-unanimous cases. Every other justice is below 50% agreement with at least two justices, Ginsburg being in agreement with just four over 50% of the time.
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    .... not because she's "independent"; it's because she's WRONG all the time. She is a waste of a seat on the Supremes. 100% counter-productive, a fly in the ointment.



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    Idiotic comment from the guy who called these the guys in robes who sit in a salon.. your song is getting tired. If you view the justice system decisions as right and wrong, you will always be the latter. Remember your well thougt out comments on the Supreme Court.. does not sound like you can even envision any gray in this whole process, as you do not value it..

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    And you still have the balls to complain about people flaming people...do as you say not as you do :rolleyes:

    You missed a golden opportunity to shut him up with a reply that strengthens your stance but you don't do that, you take the low road you have railed against for the last week+
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    Some day, when you are all grown up, you will understand that there are some things in life that are not "gray". Faith, morality, freedom of conscience .... all of these things Ginzburg has fought against in her too long stay with the Supremes, with her incessant fixation with social engineering. Better she retire now to limit any further harm she does.



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    I notice you left out anything about the Constitution and law, but that is not important to you. "Social Engineering" is that the hysterical buzzword of the day.
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    Faith, morality, freedom of conscience are all recognized in the First Amendment of the Constitution, maybe to your chagrin ... who knows. In any case, those rights are derived from the Creator, from above any man-made instrument including the Constitution. God has been here longer than even America has. Learn to love it and you'll be a happier man.



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    Right along with pornography.. the operative question becomes so????
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    Now you're talking pure insanity. Take your meds and come back later.


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    Congratulations you have successfully hijacked another thread to perpetuate your religious agenda... this was about the Supreme Court.. you know those guys in the black robes who sit in a "salon".
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    Correction: YOU are trying to hijack the thread.

    Never fear, though, I'm still saying: Ginsberg is the worst thing that ever happened to the Supreme Court. Absolute worst. Makes Thurgood Marshall look like Geo Washington. She's against the majority almost always, and stands for all the things that are destroying America. She hates America, blames America for the Jewish Holocaust. As do most of the ACLU lawyers. The both support pornography because they hate America, want to destroy it.


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    Actually you were the one who did it, everyone else just ignored him.
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    This is the classic difference between an intellligent democratic person who practices christianity and someone who does not.. I look at the Supreme Court and how it is defined by the Constitution and how important it is in our society and how it has stood the test of time.. there are 9 men and women all of whom are incredbly smart jurists and collectively they make excellent decisions.. I do not care for some of them individually, but as a whole they balance each other out.. in this society one of the greatest dangers is having like minded people making all the major decisions for our country..

    Not a big fan of Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas.. but as a group they are usually pretty right on and there is much respect for the process and the court..

    While others who wear their religion on their sleeve will conveniently pigeonhole people based on perception, and spew tired right wing talking points instead of doing the hard work and closely examining the hard issues...

    The woman has pancreatic cancer, so her tenure on the bench may be short lived.. I know you wish she would die, your wish may come true.. do not understand your religion once again. Words like sick f... come to mind.
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    Must be a mirror-like reflection on your computer screen. We've seen it all before.

    Nobody could be sicker than one who, for purely partisan political reasons, would roll over to someone destroying the greatest country of the past 250 years, turning it into a den of thieves, drug addicts, and fornicators.

    Yet, despite Ginsberg's participation in all of that, I don't wish her to die -- that's YOUR false witness speaking yet again. I simply wish for her to retire. Leave the Supreme Court to those who genuinely love what America was created to fulfill. Leave now before creating any more regrets.


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    If and when she leaves she will be replaced by someone comparable.. something to look forward to, create hysteria about and make up BS stories about.. maybe the new one will have a pony tail and have real links to the ACLU..
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    Doesn't matter. He or she will have to learn Chinese or Mexican, anyway.



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