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    Here's what you need to remember:
    I don't rank guys that we won't have the option to draft. Peterson, Johnson, Adams, Landry, and Branch will not be on this list.

    I also don't rank guys that will not last to where I feel their value is. For example, I think Nelson is a 2nd round talent. I think Ginn is a 3rd round talent. I think Merriweather is a 4th round talent. All three will likely be taken long before that spot, so they will not be on the list.

    I also don't justify why someone didn't make the list. Sometimes I don't remember why someone was whittled off the 700+ master list, and I don't want to be in the habit of answering so many questions.

    QBs
    1. Drew Stanton Michigan State 6-3 226 4.72 1.56/2.71 - Prototypical QB size. Nice arm. Makes all the throws and reads defenses well.

    2. John Beck 6'2" 215 4.75 1.62/2.7 - Older, more mature player. 4-year starter, owns several BYU records. Impressed in Combine...Who does this scouting report remind you of: Needs to add more bulk and strength to his frame to absorb punishment in the pocket and, even though he is able to move around the pocket, he is no threat running with the ball … Has good arm strength for the short-to-intermediate area, … Lacks valid speed, but makes up for it with good short-area avoid skills and a quick release to unleash the ball on time?

    3. Jeff Rowe Nevada 6-5 225 4.85 - Rowe has a big-time arm and good accuracy, but that’s not really what makes him special. He reads coverages well and understands blitz packages like a defensive coordinator. Although he doesn’t exactly have a halfback’s running ability, he can buy time with his feet and, better yet, stand up in the face of the rush....

    4. Trent Edwards Stanford 6-4 222 4.85 1.66/2.76 - I think he's overrated, but he's a pretty accurate arm, and is used to adversity.

    5. Jared Zabransky Boise State 6-2 219 4.56 1.53/2.65 - Also worked out as safety. BB can find room for him as a reserve/Special Teamer.

    6. Matt Gutierrez - Torn labrum sent one of nation's hottest recruits from Michigan to Idaho St. He needs to work on his delivery to iron out some bad mechanics he picked up while protecting his shoulder.

    7. Jordan Palmer Texas-El Paso 6-6 229 4.93 Good numbers. Pedigree worth drafting. If Eli goes #1 overall, Jordan is certainly worth a #6/7.


    RBs
    1. Brian Leonard Rutgers 6-1 224 4.53 1.54/2.6 - Mr. Can-do. I could see him used as Patrick Pass, or as Keith Byars.

    2. Darius Walker Notre Dame 5-10 212 4.56 1.54/2.62 - Productive in
    pro-style offense. I think he's the best RB in the draft in the passing game.

    3. DeShawn Wynn Florida 5-11 232 4.48 1.47/2.56 He was a consensus All-American selection, including being named to the prestigious Parade All-American Team. National Bluechips ranked him first in the nation in its speed running back category. He was also chosen to Prep Star's Dream Team, and that publication ranked him among the nation's top 12 rushers. Unreal quickness for his size. There are some character questions, but I don't think they're terribly bad. Been called a bad teammate. We'll see.

    4. Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois 5-08 182 4.42 - I really hope we draft this guy to be our next Kevin Faulk. He'll need work in the blitz pickup, no doubt, but an electric runner.

    5. Kolby Smith Louisville 5-11 214 4.51 1.53/2.59 - Workmanlike, productive back with low miles on the odometer.

    6. Reggie Merriweather Clemson 5-08 210 4.52 MJ-D clone, benched by presence of GREAT back (James Davis)

    7. Eldra Buckley Chattanooga 5-09 205 4.44 1.53/2.65 Had his best games against the D1 teams Chattanooga played. Very good numbers in losing causes.

    8. Justin Vincent LSU 5-11 235 4.58 Light load the last two years, as Addai and Broussard took the lion's share of carries. Could be a bargain.

    WRs
    1. Robert Meachem Tennessee 6-3 210 4.39 1.51/2.49
    2. Anthony Gonzalez Ohio State 6-0 195 4.44 1.48/2.58
    3. Johnnie Lee Higgins Texas-El Paso 5-11 182 4.52 1.53/2.56
    4. Aundrae Allison East Carolina 6-0 197 4.39 1.43/2.46
    5. Rhema McKnight Notre Dame 6'1" 211 4.53 - So many guys were high on Stovall last year because he played for Uncle Charlie. McKnight blows him out of the water from a talent standpoint.
    6. Craig Davis LSU 6-1 200 4.46
    7. Brandon Myles West Virginia 6-1 183 4.45 - Tough system for
    WRs to put up big numbers...reminds me of Givens in that respect.
    8. David Ball New Hampshire 6-1 196 4.59
    9. Steve Breaston Michigan 6-1 193 4.41 1.49/2.56
    10. Mike Walker Central Florida 6-2 200 4.35 1.54/2.53
    11. Legedu Naanee Boise State 6-2 225 4.41 1.50/2.53
    12. Marquay McDaniel Hampton 5-11 205 4.58 1.47/2.59

    TEs
    1. Ben Patrick Delaware 6'4" 268 4.84 1.65/2.71
    2. Clark Harris Rutgers 6-6 257 4.84 1.67/2.76
    3. Kevin Boss Western Oregon 6-7 255 4.78 1.68/2.8
    4. Michael Allan Whitworth 6-6 252 4.71 1.61/2.68
    5. Jonathan Allen Norfolk State 6-4 235 4.59

    Cs
    1. Ryan Kalil USC 6'3" 291 5.13 1.71/2.87
    2. Dan Mozes West Virginia 6-3 293 5.36 6-7 1.84/3.11
    3. Mark Fenton Colorado 6-4 290 5.15 6
    4. Tanner Jenkins Arkansas State 6-1 292 5.08 7-FA 3 1/2 yr starter.
    Candidate for all linemen awards.
    5. David Ligon Tennessee 6-5 302 5.20 Has also played guard.
    6. Dan McGrath Virginia Tech 6-2 302 5.21 Graduated three years. Smart guy

    Gs
    1. Ben Grubbs Auburn 6-3 311 5.20 1.80/2.96 - Best in show.
    2. Arron Sears Tennessee 6-3 319 5.32
    3. Andy Alleman Akron 6-4 305 5.07 1.71/2.87

    Ts
    1 Tony Ugoh Arkansas 6-5 301 5.06 1.71/2.9
    2 Joe Staley Central Michigan 6-6 306 4.75
    3 Marshall Yanda Iowa 6-4 307 5.12
    4 Allen Barbre Missouri Southern State 6-4 300 4.84 1.65/2.81
    5 Herb Taylor TCU 6-4 296 5.19
    6 Gabe Hall former TE out of Texas Tech 6'4" 313 4.91
    7 Mike Otto Purdue 6-6 308 5.25 1.78/2.96
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    DEs
    1 Adam Carriker Nebraska 6-6 296 4.85
    2 Ikaika Alama-Francis Hawaii 6-5 290 4.78
    3 Antonio Johnson Mississippi State 6-3 305 4.95 1.68/2.9
    4 Quinn Pitrooster Ohio State 6-3 301 4.93 1.61/2.84
    5 Keith Jackson Arkansas 6-0 295 4.99 1.73/2.93
    6 Larry Brown Oklahoma State 6-3 295 5.2 1.67/2.96

    NT
    1 Justin Harrell Tennessee 6-4 305 5.09 1.67/2.91
    2 Paul Soliai Utah 6-4 325 5.32 1.63/2.93
    3 Quintin Echols Kansas State 6-1 328 5.18 Ripped up E-WSG
    4 Kelly Talavou Utah 6-2 318 5.32
    5 Xavier Lawson-Kennedy Oklahoma State 6-1 318 5.14

    OLB
    1 Anthony Spencer Purdue 6-3 266 4.70 1.64/2.74
    2 Victor Abiamiri Notre Dame 6-5 271 4.80 1.56/2.75
    3 LaMarr Woodley Michigan 6-2 269 4.68
    4 Dan Bazuin Central Michigan 6-3 265 4.77 1.59/2.75
    5 Marquies Gunn Auburn 6-4 262 4.79
    6 Michael Heard Mississippi State 6-2 268 4.77
    7 Darrell Burston Florida State 6-2 245 4.65
    8 Kyle Caldwell Arizona State 6-3 270 4.73
    9. Robin Gamble Miles (DII) ...Robin had three sacks in the two games we scouted and has very impressive raw numbers to back up his resume. He measured in at his pro day at 6'5.5," and 270 pounds. He ran 4.74, 4.78 and 4.83 in his three heats at forty yards (timed by an NFL scout for the K.C. Chiefs), did a 37.5" vertical, a 9'5" broad jump, and a very respectable 7.22 cone drill, and 4.63 short shuttle. He also did 24 reps and has 36" arms and 10.5" hands. He needs to be coached up, but already possesses a nice club move. He played LB some in college too, and could be looked at as an OLB.

    ILB
    1. David Harris Michigan 6-2 243 4.59 1.53/2.59
    2. Stewart Bradley Nebraska 6-4 254 4.76 1.56/2.71
    3. Zak DeOssie Brown 6-4 245 4.58 1.56/2.62
    4. Desmond Bishop California 6-2 242 4.78 1.59/2.75
    5. Anthony Waters Clemson 6-3 242 4.59 - Injury makes him undervalued.
    6. Quinton Culberson Mississippi State 6-1 242 4.78 1.59/2.76
    7. Marvin Mitchell Tennessee 6-3 252 4.84 1.62/2.84 - Character issues make him a good value.

    CB
    1 Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh 6-0 204 4.54 Nice PR skills in addition to man coverage skills.

    2 Josh Wilson Maryland 5-09 189 4.39 1.46/2.5 Rare timed speed … Rare physicality and toughness at the position … Reads the action well and is usually in good position to make a play on the ball … A competitor and won't back down to bigger wideouts … Adjusts well to the ball and is a good leaper, able to break up the pass at its highest point … Father, the late Tim Wilson, was fullback during Earl Campbell era for Houston … Takes his academics seriously … Has earned academic honors each of the past two seasons while majoring in business administration … Has had some of his best games against top competition.

    3 Marcus McCauley Fresno State 6-1 203 4.39 1.43/2.53
    4 David Irons Auburn 5-10 190 4.44 1.53/2.58
    5 Michael Coe Alabama St. 6-1 190 4.59 1.53/2.61 Another son of a coach, who transerred out of Arkansas to play for Dad. I like that.
    6 DeAndre Jackson Iowa State 5-11 192 4.48 knee
    7 Bo Smith Weber State 5-10 193 4.44 - Was very good in the SEC before running into academic trouble.
    8 Corey Graham New Hampshire 6-0 195 4.42
    9 Marquice Cole NorthWestern 5-11 185 4.42 Impressive in interviews I've read.
    10 Marcus Hamilton Virginia 6-0 190 4.56 Captain 5th year. solid citizen
    11 Tony Franklin Virginia 5-10 185 4.45 Prior arrest and suspension for marijuana possession. I could care less.


    FS
    1 Josh Gattis Wake Forest 6-1 206 4.55 1.56/2.62
    2 Fred Bennett South Carolina 6-1 196 4.46 1.59/2.68 CB conversion
    3 C.J. Wilson Baylor 6-1 196 4.58 1.50/2.62 CB Conversion
    4 Tanard Jackson Syracuse 6-0 192 4.56 1.55/2.63 - Reminds me of Anthony Smith last year - very versatile within secondary.
    5 John Wendling Wyoming 6-1 222 4.48 1.51/2.56
    6 Brandon Sharp Louisville 5-10 194 4.53 1.56/2.65
    7 Kevin Payne Louisiana-Monroe 6-0 220 4.64 1.54/2.65
    8 C.J. Gaddis Clemson 6-0 203 4.45
    9 Brandon Mitchell Ohio State 6-3 205 4.49
    10 Joey Card Miami (OHIO) 6-0 200 4.54 Captain. 2 1/2 year starter
    11 Gerald Alexander Boise State 6-0 210 4.58
    12 Roderick Rogers Wisconsin 6-1 188 4.46

    SS
    1 Michael Griffin Texas 6-0 202 4.45
    2 Eric Weddle Utah 5-11 203 4.48 1.43/2.56 During his career,
    he has also played quarterback, running back, punt returner, punter and held on field goals. Fastest shuttle time at the Combine.
    3 Sabby Piscitelli Oregon State 6-3 224 4.47 1.49/2.54 He'll hit you.
    4 Eric Frampton Washington State 5-11 204 4.67 1.57/2.65 Shadows grow so long before my eyes....
    5 Brandon Harrison Stanford 6-2 227 4.58
    6 Jessie Daniels LSU 5-11 216 4.58
    7 Daren Stone Maine 6-3 218 4.58 1.56/2.68 Great ST player
    8 Chad Nkang Elon 6-0 220 4.59
    9 Brannon Condren Troy 6-1 205 4.49 Really like this guy. Candidate for steal of draft/free agency.
    10 Eric Wicks West Virginia 6-0 212 4.60

    Horizontal Sort to come later.
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    Thank you. This is flat-out terrific.

    Though I still reserve the right to nit-pick. ;)
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    Hurry up with the Horizontal Sort...

    Nice work. Nice find on Miles. I like Condren, too. 6th Rd/Comp? Flies all over the field.
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    It's not a right, it's an obligation.
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    Gamble's his name. Miles is the school he played at. Birmingham, Alabama.
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    Blalock OG Texas doesn't make your board?
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    You don't rank Nelson I'm assuming because you feel he'll be gone by #24 but you rank Carriker. I think the odds of them being gone by #24 are about the same.

    I think Dwayne Wright and Brandon Jackson should make the RB board.

    Kalil could easily play Guard as well as center. I was reading some where that he is flexible enough to move to RT but I don't see it with his size and I don't think he has the frame to add much bulk without losing speed. What are your thoughts on that? If he could we know BB loves flexible players.
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    He was impressive in the games I saw him in this year and his speed and change of direction at the combine were unexpected. I wonder if BB would bring him in as a wr/te and emergency QB and let him play a role similar to the Steelers college QBs turned receivers. That would add a dimension we don't have.
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    Great insight.

    What is the 1.56/2.71 ratio you show for many players?
    (Example of numbers, they change with each player.)
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    I'm of the opinion that at the elite NCAA level, every center can play guard, and most guards can play center.

    Regarding Nelson, you can read my first paragraphs of the initial post.

    Regarding Wright, Jackson, and Blalock, I start this process with about 700 players. I go through a long weeding-out process. In many cases, I don't remember why they've been weeded out. Could be a bad fit, could be overvalued, could be a character risk I can't overlook. So I don't bother giving explanations why so and so isn't on the list, because in some instances I don't remember, and it's not something I want to answer several times when someone's prime rib is my scraps for Rover. I meant to put this in the rules. I will now.
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    Those are the 10 and 20 yard splits, which I put much more importance on than the 40 times. I want to know whow quick somebody is out of his stance, and how long it takes him to get to top gear. These numbers are provided as a courtesy from BoR and Cstjohn, and ultimately from nfldraftscout.
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    Sorry I glazed over your comments on Nelson. I disagree but that's another debate.
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    Nice work!

    Carriker is one of those elite prospects we need to zone in on. Will he be available at #24 or not? If he is, I'm sure BB will give strong consideration. I'm surprised you think he may be there, especially after his Pro Day 40's of 4.73 and 4.72 @ 291. Thoughts?

    Also, at SS, 4 Eric Frampton, Washington State, is one to strongly consider. Sticking with the SS position, I noticed you have Eric Weddle listed. Are you firm with this or open to him being listed as a FS? Just curious because of his CB exp and coverage skills, if perhaps he'd be better suited there. Thoughts?
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    Good job DH44.

    One question. Why wasn't Jon Abbate ILB Wake on your ILB list? After seeing him in 3 games this year and what I have read about him recently, he's Patriots type player in everyway. Could be a late 3rd or 4th rounder.
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    Re: Nice work!

    I believe Carriker will not be there. However, I can envision a scenario where he slips down to #20 or so. Carriker, Revis, Meachem, and Spencer stand a good chance of being gone by 24, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion, as with Landry, Branch, or some others.

    Weddle can play anywhere. I just stuck him, and other players with versatility (Harrell, Sears) into one category instead of two or three.
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    What was his 40 at the combine?
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    @ 5-9 3/4 he would be better suited for SS, until he timed 4.98 @ the combine.
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    I see that Josh Gattis, CJ Gaddis, CJ Wilson and Josh Wilson all made your board. Are you sure they aren't the same person? I am, and will always be, very confused when it comes to these four. Any chance we draft all of them, just to make sure we get the right one???
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    Thanks Uncle! Here is a quick and dirty, cut and paste for Heatster's Prospects on Day 1 (it give me a head ache to even think about doing day 2, UFA's). Just roughed in by round based on my ratings.

    RD 1
    1(SS) Michael Griffin Texas 6-0 202 4.45
    1.(WR) Robert Meachem Tennessee 6-3 210 4.39 1.51/2.49
    1.(OG) Ben Grubbs Auburn 6-3 311 5.20 1.80/2.96 - Best in show.
    1 (DE)Adam Carriker Nebraska 6-6 296 4.85
    1 (CB)Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh 6-0 204 4.54

    RDS 1-2
    2(WR) Anthony Gonzalez Ohio State 6-0 195 4.44 1.48/2.58
    1(OC) Ryan Kalil USC 6'3" 291 5.13 1.71/2.87
    2(OG) Arron Sears Tennessee 6-3 319 5.32
    1(OT) Tony Ugoh Arkansas 6-5 301 5.06 1.71/2.9
    2 (OT)Joe Staley Central Michigan 6-6 306 4.75
    1(DT) Justin Harrell Tennessee 6-4 305 5.09 1.67/2.91
    1(OLB) Anthony Spencer Purdue 6-3 266 4.70 1.64/2.74
    2(CB) Josh Wilson Maryland 5-09 189 4.39 1.46/2.5 Rare timed speed

    RD2

    1.(QB) Drew Stanton Michigan State 6-3 226 4.72 1.56/2.71
    1.(RB) Brian Leonard Rutgers 6-1 224 4.53 1.54/2.6 –
    2. (RB)Darius Walker Notre Dame 5-10 212 4.56 1.54/2.62
    3.(WR) Johnnie Lee Higgins Texas-El Paso 5-11 182 4.52 1.53/2.56
    4. (WR)Aundrae Allison East Carolina 6-0 197 4.39 1.43/2.46
    5. (WR)Rhema McKnight Notre Dame 6'1" 211 4.53
    6. (WR)Craig Davis LSU 6-1 200 4.46
    3(OT) Marshall Yanda Iowa 6-4 307 5.12
    2(DE) Ikaika Alama-Francis Hawaii 6-5 290 4.78
    2(NT)Paul Soliai Utah 6-4 325 5.32 1.63/2.93
    2 (OLB)Victor Abiamiri Notre Dame 6-5 271 4.80 1.56/2.75
    1.(ILB) David Harris Michigan 6-2 243 4.59 1.53/2.59
    2.(ILB) Stewart Bradley Nebraska 6-4 254 4.76 1.56/2.71
    2.(SS)Eric Weddle Utah 5-11 203 4.48 1.43/2.56

    RD3
    3.(RB) DeShawn Wynn Florida 5-11 232 4.48 1.47/2.56
    1.(TE) Ben Patrick Delaware 6'4" 268 4.84 1.65/2.71
    2(OC) Dan Mozes West Virginia 6-3 293 5.36 6-7 1.84/3.11
    3(DE) Antonio Johnson Mississippi State 6-3 305 4.95 1.68/2.9
    4 (DE)Quinn Pitrooster Ohio State 6-3 301 4.93 1.61/2.84
    3(OLB)LaMarr Woodley Michigan 6-2 269 4.68
    4(OLB)Dan Bazuin Central Michigan 6-3 265 4.77 1.59/2.75
    3.(ILB) Zak DeOssie Brown 6-4 245 4.58 1.56/2.62
    3(CB) Marcus McCauley Fresno State 6-1 203 4.39 1.43/2.53
    4(CB) David Irons Auburn 5-10 190 4.44 1.53/2.58
    5(CB) Michael Coe Alabama St. 6-1 190 4.59 1.53/2.61
    1 (SS)Josh Gattis Wake Forest 6-1 206 4.55 1.56/2.62
    2(SS) Fred Bennett South Carolina 6-1 196 4.46 1.59/2.68 CB conversion
    3(SS) C.J. Wilson Baylor 6-1 196 4.58 1.50/2.62 CB Conversion
    4(SS) Tanard Jackson Syracuse 6-0 192 4.56 1.55/2.63
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