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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by dryheat44, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. dryheat44

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    Well, I was going to do it differently this year, and put a value on each player, but in the interest of space, which is already going to be tight, I removed the player if he's expected to be long gone by the time I have him graded. For instance, I had both Maualuga and Stafford in the fourth round. Therefore, they won't show up here. Which brings me to point #2 -- this is a Patriots-specific board. There's many more players than usual (~220 compared to ~75 last year), but most would be in the late 7th-UDFA category. Here goes:

    1-24
    OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia
    OT Jason Smith - Baylor
    DL BJ Raji - Boston College
    LB Aaron Curry - Wake Forest
    CB Malcolm Jenkins - Ohio St

    25-40
    OT Michael Oher - Mississippi
    OT William Beatty - Connecticut
    OLB Clint Sintim - Virginia
    DE Tyson Jackson - LSU
    WR Darius Heyward-Bey - Maryland
    WR Hakeem Nicks - North Carolina

    41-55
    TE Jared Cook - South Carolina
    OT Jamon Meredith - South Carolina
    OLB Connor Barwin - Cincinnati
    CB Vontae Davis - Illinois
    CB Darius Butler - Connecticut
    DE Evander Hood - Missouri
    S Patrick Chung - Oregon
    WR Brian Robiskie - Ohio St

    56-70
    TE Chase Coffman - Missouri
    TE Shawn Nelson - Southern Miss
    OT Eben Britton - Arizona
    C/G Jonathan Luigs - Arkansas
    C/G Max Unger - Oregon
    C/G Eric Wood - Louisville
    CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest
    DB Sean Smith - Utah
    OLB Michael Johnson - Georgia Tech
    ILB Jasper Brinkley - South Carolina
    S Louis Delmas - Western Michigan
    S William Moore - Missouri

    71-95
    WR Derrick Williams - Penn St
    WR Percy Harvin - Florida
    CB DJ Moore - Vanderbilt
    CB Coye Francies - San Jose St
    CB Victor Harris - Virginia Tech
    CB Asher Allen - Georgia
    CB Mike Mickens - Cincinnati
    TE James Casey - Rice
    NT Ron Brace - Boston College
    ILB Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond
    S Michael Hamlin - Clemson
    S Chip Vaughn - Wake Forest
    S David Bruton - Notre Dame
    DB Sherrod Martin - Troy

    96-120
    OT Lydon Murtha - Nebraska
    OL TJ Lang - Eastern Michigan
    CB Joe Burnett - Central Florida
    CB Christopher Owens - San Jose St
    CB Kevin Barnes - Maryland
    DB Bradley Fletcher - Iowa
    TE Travis Beckum - Wisconsin
    WR Juaquin Iglesias - Oklahoma
    WR Jarret Dillard - Rice
    WR/QB Pat White - West Virginia
    WR Brandon Tate - North Carolina
    OLB Cody Brown - Connecticut
    DE Dorell Scott - Clemson
    DE Fili Moala - Southern Cal
    S Rashad Johnson - Alabama
    S Jairus Byrd - Oregon
    S CJ Spillman - Marshall

    121-160
    ILB Antonio Appleby - Virginia
    ILB Tyrone McKenzie - South Florida
    ILB Joshua Mauga - Nevada
    ILB Robert Francois - Boston College
    OT Gerald Cadogan - Penn St
    OT Cornelius Lewis - Tennessee St
    OT Joel Bell - Furman
    OT Robert Brewster - Ball St
    OT Andrew Gardner - Georgia Tech
    OT Alex Boone - Ohio St
    C/G Antoine Caldwell - Alabama
    C/G Blake Schlueter - Texas Christian
    G Ryan Durand - Syracuse
    CB Don Carey - Norfolk St
    TE John Phillips - Virginia
    TE Kory Sperry - Colorado State
    NT Terrance Knighton - Temple
    NT Sammie Lee Hill - Stillman
    WR Tiquan Underwood - Rutgers
    WR Mohamed Massaquoi - Georgia
    WR Darius Passmore - Marshall
    WR Kevin Ogletree - Virginia
    WR Austin Collie - Brigham Young
    WR Eron Riley - Duke
    DE Corvey Irvin - Georgia
    DE Alex Magee - Purdue
    DE Nader Abdallah - Ohio St
    DE John Gill - Northwestern
    OLB Pierre Walters - Eastern Illinois
    RB Andre Brown - North Carolina St
    RB James Davis - Clemson
    RB Rashad Jennings - Liberty
    RB Shonn Greene - Iowa
    RB Tony Fiametta - Syracuse
    S Keenan Lewis - Oregon St
    DB Morgan Trent - Michigan
    S Brandon Underwood - Cincinnati
    S Derek Pegues - Mississippi St
    S Otis Wiley - Michigan St

    161-210
    QB Curtis Painter - Purdue
    OT Sebastian Vollmer - Houston
    OT Andrew Hartline - Central Michigan
    CB Cary Harris - Southern Cal
    CB Bruce Johnson - Miami
    CB Captain Munnerlyn - South Carolina
    CB Mark Parson - Ohio
    CB Jerraud Powers - Auburn
    CB Brice McCain - Utah
    CB Ladarius Webb - Nichols St
    CB Terrail Lambert - Notre Dame
    TE/QB Zachary Miller - Nebraska Omaha
    TE Dan Gronkowski - Maryland
    TE Anthony Hill - North Carolina St
    TE Bear Pascoe - Fresno St
    NT Lonnie Harvey - Morgan St
    NT Vaughn Martin - Western Ontario
    WR Brandon Gibson - Washington St
    WR Kenny McKinley - South Carolina
    WR Michael Jones - Arizona St
    WR Manuel Johnson - Oklahoma
    WR Mike Wallace - Mississippi
    WR DJ Boldin - Wake Forest
    OLB Brandon Long - Michigan St
    OLB Mike Rivera - Kansas
    ILB Matt Shaughnessy - Wisconsin
    ILB Lee Robinson - Alcorn St
    RB Ian Johnson - Boise St
    RB Devin Moore - Wyoming
    RB Kory Sheets - Purdue
    C AQ Shipley - Penn St
    C/G Dominic Green - Nevada
    G/T Ryan Stanchek - West Virginia
    G Rich Ohrnberger - Penn St
    S Jonathan Casillas - Wisconsin
    S Courtney Greene - Rutgers
    S Keith Fitzhugh - Mississippi St
    S Chris Clemons - Clemson
    S Troy Nolan - Arizona St
    S Jamarca Sanford - Mississippi

    211+
    OT Ben Coblyn - Massachusetts
    OT Ryan McKee - Southern Miss
    OT Paul Carpenter - Weber St
    OT Phil Trautwein - Florida
    OT Dane Randolph - Maryland
    OT Chris Kemme - Akron
    OL Greg Ryan - Western Kentucky
    QB Sean Glennon - Virginia Tech
    QB Brian Hoyer - Michigan St
    QB Tom Brandstater - Fresno St
    QB Mike Teel - Rutgers
    QB Rudy Carpenter - Arizona St
    CB Donald Washington - Ohio St
    CB Brandon Hughes - Oregon St
    CB Wopamo Osaisai - Stanford
    CB London Fryar - Western Michigan
    CB Ryan Palmer - Texas
    CB Jahi Word-Daniels - Georgia Tech
    CB DeAngelo Smith - Cincinnati
    CB Michael Ray Garvin - Florida St
    CB Weldon Brown - Lousiana Tech
    CB Kevin Sanders - UAB
    CB Vincent Butler - New Mexico St
    DB Derek Cox - William and Mary
    DB Sean Smalls - Massachusetts
    TE Richard Quinn - North Carolina
    TE Jared Bronson - Central Washington
    TE Branden Ledbetter - Western Michigan
    TE/S/QB Tyler Lorenzen - Connecticut
    C/G Rob Bruggeman - Iowa
    C Cecil Newton - Tennessee St
    WR Jeremy Childs - Boise St
    WR Sammie Stroughter - Oregon St
    WR Quan Cosby - Texas
    WR Greg Orton - Purdue
    WR Vinny Perretta - Boise St
    WR Julian Edelman - WR Kent St
    WR Eric Peterman - Northwestern
    NT Louis Ellis - Shaw
    OLB Jarriett Buie - South Florida
    OLB Will Davis - Illinois
    OLB Stryker Sulak - Missouri
    OLB Orion Martin - Virginia Tech
    OLB Henry Melton - Texas
    ILB Brandon Williams - Texas Tech
    ILB Adam Vincent - UTEP
    ILB Maurice Kitchens - Marshall
    ILB Kirston Pittman - LSU
    DE Khalif Mitchell - East Carolina
    DE Rashaad Duncan - Pittsburgh
    DE Ra'shon Harris - Oregon
    DE Everette Pedescleaux - Northern Iowa
    DE Richard Washington - Clark Atlanta
    RB Andrew Johnson - Akron
    RB Kyle Bell - Colorado St
    RB Herb Donaldson - Western Illinois
    RB Marcus Thigpen - Indiana
    RB Quinn Johnson - LSU
    RB Curtis Brinkley - Syracuse
    RB Marlon Lucky - Nebraska
    RB LaRod Stephens-Howling - Pittsburgh
    RB Rodney Ferguson - New Mexico
    RB Tristan Davis - Auburn
    C/G Ryan Shuman - Virginia Tech
    G Seth Olsen - Iowa
    G/T George Bussey - Louisville
    S DeAngelo Willingham - Tennessee
    S Kevin Akins - Boston College
    S Trimaine Goddard - North Carolina
    S Tyrrell Herbert - Toledo
    S Marcus McClinton - Kentucky
    S Dahna Deleston - Connecticut
    S Emmanuel Cook - South Carolina
    S Jim Johnson - Minnesota-Duluth
    S Tom Nelson - Illinois St
    S Jabir Perkins - Texas A&M-Kingsville
    S Mike Mitchell - Ohio
    S Colt Anderson - Montana
    S Merrill Johnson - Auburn
    S Zach Arnett - New Mexico
    S Kyle McCarthy - Notre Dame
    S Derrick Richardson - New Mexico St
    S Greg Laybourn - Oregon St
    S Bryan Williams - Akron
    S Kevin Malast - Rutgers
    S Curtis Taylor - LSU
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    Okay, what is software glitch is killing all the capital letters when I preview this post? e.e. cummings was never my inspiration...
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    The TCU defense took a hit on your board I see.
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    how do you go about reading this thing and understanding what you are talking about? thanks
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    Very nice. A lot of interesting groupings.
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    If this is Belichick's board, he should be looking for partner's to trade down.

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    Teams have a value board, ranking all the players that they are interested in. I would suspect that some recognition of need is included in these values. Chararacter issues affect rankings. How a player fits in to schemes is important. Many players high on other folk's boards are not included. As Heat says, he demotes them so much that he knows that they will be gone by the time the ranking comes up.
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    HOW TO USE VALUE BOARDS

    1-24
    According to heat, we have interest in only five players as the draft unfolds. Depending on ranking, we might trade up if we fear not getting any of our 5 at 23 if the value is there for the trade, we might wait and pick, we might trade down given that all our guys are gone, or we might "reach" a bit and draft someone from the 25-40 list. we also could trade our pick into next year. These decisions would get made as each pick is made in the draft.

    For example, if Monroe, J. Smith, Raji and Curry are all chosen in the top 10 (as is likely), then Belichick would look at his value for Jenkins and consider how high he would be willing to trade up and get on the phone.
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    Personally, I don't agree with heat's indication that only 11 players may be worth a #23 or #34 to us. Since the ranking is 25-40, presumably a couple of the players wouldn't even be worth a 34. However, he certainly could be right. If he is, look for us to move our 23rd or perhaps 34th into next year and choose one of the 11.



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    Bumping, great stuff.
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    DH44, I'm really being objective because I understand that any player that I really like, even though a good fit, has a less than 20% chance of actually beign drafted by the Patriots. Then they become the enemy when they are drafted by another team.

    Having siad that, please explain how you have left Clay Matthews or even Brian Cushing off your board.
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    I refer you to my opening statement. I'm working on my vertical stack now, which makes me aware that I have to adjust this one somewhat.
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    Their seventh round grades remove them from consideration.
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    OK, 7th round it is. Maybe we can pick one of them up with pick 234.:ugh:
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    I thought that pick was being traded into 2010? :confused2:
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    Further thoughts on this, from anyone, given what has been said and speculated in the past week by scouts, coaches, et al?
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    Well, after putting together the vertical sort, I've realized that this one isn't quite right. However, I wasn't planning on indulging my ego and posting a new one. If it's useful, I will tomorrow, though.
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    Until draft boards, and draft prognosticators and "experts" are able and willing to rate players in the manner done below, their rankings are misleading.

    It doesn't matter where a college player ranks against other players coming out of the draft.

    What matters is where a college player ranks against current NFL talent that costs roughly the same amount of money.





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