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The Logic behind Wilfork's fine: Are you kidding me?

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    So, the players can now be fined based on possible intent to cause injury or being "agressive"? WTF.
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    Interesting quote, with no link and no attribution. Is that from the NFL press release or a Florio speculation?
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    I did attribute it. Link added for clarity.
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    Patterns of behavior get you sent to prison for very long periods of time, let alone fined. Welcome to authoritarianism in its many manifestations.
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    Truth.

    "The fine provides Wilfork something tangible that clearly reflects Goodell's thoughts. " Couldn't GODell have just sent Vince an engraved pen instead? Or a memo:D

    OOC-out of control.
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    Perhaps Herr Oberfurher Goodell has had a conversation with the officials and mandated that they throw copious flags in the Indy game because of a pattern of infractions by the Patriots. It would be something tangible, reflecting his thoughts.
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    there is no evidence of a hit...

    and therefore what the NFL is doing is fining wilfork for what actions he MAY do in the future...

    b/c so far between last yr and this yr, he had one unintentional hit, and one phantom hit...

    in ur example, that means we get sent to prison for something we MAY do in the future
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    Troy Polamalu is looking more prescient by the day. This is laughable. Wilfork is starting to get a reputation as a dirty player which, IMO, is totally undeserved.
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    starts at about 1 min in the video whatever evidence they looked at.
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    He should be grateful he wasn't suspended. What's up with these players and maliciously trying to injure other players? I guess he has to fill in for Rodney while he's out.
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    Grateful? Watch that vid and let me know what he did again...
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    The League was right not to suspend, but wrong to fine. Then again, Ommissioner Clouseau may be the worst person to ever hold that job, so it's not really a surprise that he would make such a stupid ruling. The NFLPA has really got to deal with this sort of crap in the next CBA if the owners don't do the right thing and get rid of this clown.
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    I'm not referencing this exact hit. Wilfork has been doing it his whole career. Ask Brandon Jacobs' eyeballs.
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    Jacobs' eyeball has never been touched by Wilfork, his forehead on the otherhand...
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    Doing what? You gotta back up accusations around this place, especially since your obviously on a path toward a covered bridge or a JRR Tolkien book.
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    I just don't get this fine. So, they couldn't punish him for any hit, so they instead punish him for a pattern of agressive behaviour? First, how the F@#$ do you think players play defense is without agressive behaviour? Secondly, if I'm an opponent, I train a camera on wilfork every game and then send it into the league office, and then Wilfork will be fined for more "agressive behaviour."
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    Goodell practically insured that scenario:mad: Let's just hope BB and Co. know exactly where ALL those cameras are:D
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    It seems that alot of you refuse to acknowledge that Vince WAS caught on tape poking his finger into the face of the Denver lineman. Justified, unjustified, who cares....he can't do it. He was punished last year for the same offense and now the Comish can make statements about serial behavior. Why....because he is a serial face poker. Get over it.
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    The issue was a supposed elbow to Cutler, at least according the the NFL's in house reporter. While I'm sure a poke is a terrible thing, and something that's worth the death penalty, that was not reported as the justification.
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    i guess godell is also a part time psychiatrist.
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    You may appropriately insert the YouTube link to Vince Wilfork singing "I Feel Pretty" at this point in the discussion.:)
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    From the NFL.com video, it looked like a hit that was unrelated to the play, which of course is fine-able. My one qualm with this fine is that is seems rather unprecedented, in that is isn't related to a specific play, but rather a "pattern" or tendency." This opens up the book to quite a bit of speculation and subjectivity regarding how players play their game, and really opens up a can of worms. If Wilfork has had such an egregious past of such hits, then fine him progressively on each specific one, and suspend him when they reach the point of being completely unacceptable behavior. At least then, there's a logical progression of punishment and its source is easily identifiable.

    To me, this sounds like Goodell brought Wilfork into his office and said, "I really just don't approve of the way you're playing these days, but I can't find anything specific, so I'm just going to fine you on general bad behavior." That's absurd, and poor practice on the part of the Commish.

    For the record, I've watched enough Wilfork to say that he definitely does this stuff, and the league should definitely slap his hand because of it... it's unacceptable. But I don't like the way the league is handling this, because of its further implications.
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    A pats player could cut another players leg off on the field, and half of you would try to defend that player.

    Wilfork is an awsome player, and he is a nasty sob....He has a history of doing "shady" things on the field, and clearly his emotions get the best of him at times. Why must you all ignore this fact? The guy was fined because he has done some questionable things over the last few years on the field.

    Get over it, and be fair. The NFL is not out to get us, please stop the madness....we our one of their largest cash cows, please wake up.
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