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The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against it?

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For or against the last second timeouts miliseconds before the ball is snapped for FG

Poll closed Oct 17, 2007.
  1. I am all for the last second timeout and its legal,Why change it?

    36.2%
  2. I don't think its fair and should be looked at this offseason

    48.3%
  3. I really don't care one way or the other

    15.5%
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    Wade Phillips complained about this very thing to league offices about this today but I don't think there will ever be a change in calling timeouts at the last millisecond - Are you for it or against it?

    There used to be a called timeout for icing the kicker prior to setting the ball down but after seeing the magnificent way Shanahan STOLE that game from Oakland in week 1,it appears all coaches are going to try it and take a chance that he makes it the first time and in the playoffs for a last second FG you can bet your home it will happen.

    It did not work in the Dallas/Buffalo game but it will probably be effective more times than not.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I'm against it, but it nonetheless made good drama in that Mon Nighter.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    it makes it gimmicky, if they have 3 timeouts at the end of the game, they could make him kick it 4 times... are you kidding me?
    they need to find a way to fix it, or at the end of every close game, you will see the kicker kicking it 2,3, or 4 times.. and what happens when someone gets hurt?
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I'm all for it. It's just another bit of strategy. It's perfectly fair and coaches are aware of it.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    just cause something is strategic doesn't make it good.. it would be strategic if you could have your players switch their numbers around during a game.. is it good for the game? (brady drops back.. he takes off.. oh wait.. thats not brady.. its randy moss with the number 12.. how did we not realise that.. TD)
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    It is stupid. The rule should be a three to five second delay between the time the coach calls time out and the official blows the whistle, on a kicking attempt.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    Better yet, the rule could read "during special teams plays, timeouts by the defending team can not be called with under 15 seconds on the play clock".
    Also, note Florida tried this against Auburn and it didn't work.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    As fan, I think it's weak.

    Appreciating the effect it may have, strategically, I think it's brilliant.

    I think that FGs have a huge effect on single games....Think: how many 60 minute brawls have been decided by a FG? e.g.: Patriots Superbowls?

    Since the FG can be such a decisive manuever, it stands that teams should not only need to regard it as a weapon, but they should have tactics to defend it.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    In reality I don't care if it effected the Pats might think differently, otoh it is a rule right now and rules are what they are, use everyone for your advantaqe to win a game.. it is only about the bottom line.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I think it is really bogus. I understand the concept of trying to ice the kicker, but once the play is run it should be way past too late to call the timeout. Its mickey mouse.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I think you should be allowed to do it once. Football is a brutal sport, full of all sorts of taunting, gamesmanship, psychology and other stuff we don't get to see. I don't LIKE it per se, but it is legitimate to try to make the kicker miss.

    BTW, kudos to Folk for nailing it twice from that distance. I think it was his longest ever successful attempt, so it was doubly impressive.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I remember that the Pats did it twice..calling 2 timeouts..and the rule changed..almost immediately I believe...against the Colts... They didn't wait till the offseason to change it..POlien gets what he wants..and now it can only be done once..BUT the Pats called a time out way BEFORE it was kicked not as it was done..it's a bit weak doing it...worked for Shannie...I am OK with a rule that says a TO has to be called 10 sec before the kick or something
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    It has to be called prior to the snap, just like with any other TO. That kick is the same as any other play, so it's silly to change it. BTW the tape shows that Jauron was calling it for at least 3 or 4 seconds before the snap, just takes the zebra some time to acknowledge it and blow his whistle in many cases.

    If the kicking team can let more than half a minute run off the clock to insure their kick is the last play of the game and then call TO with just 2 or 3 ticks left before even bringing the kicking team onto the field, then why can't the opposing team use their remaining TO strategically to their last best remaining advantage?
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    the point is it will become a gimick, and every single end of game kick will have to be done twice.. how stupid is that?
    from the sound of things, it seems like they definatly will change it, they just need to work out how.. the language to put in the rule, and what-not. i think it should be something like. in the final minutes the defense can only call timeout, before the players are set. that seems fair to me, and wouldn't disrupt other strategic timeouts, like trying to keep as much time on the clock as possible.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I voted against, but not because its unfair. I figure its a mistake to have any sort of play run when you know it won't count. Sooner or later someone will get hurt on one of these 'dead' plays.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    Eventually a coach is going to get burnt on it when a kicker misses the timeout kick and then hits the second one, and then I think this "gamesmanship" will be done with.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I think it's a stupid rule, but that wasn't a choice. It's by the book so it's "fair" but I'd like to see the rule change to prevent it.
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I may be incorrect, but I believe that a rule already exists which either prevents or penalizes teams which attempt to call two or more timeouts in succession.

    Can anyone verify?
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I see it as working both ways. If the kickers misses, you've given him a second chance by calling timeout.

    It used to be that they'd call a time out before the ball was hiked, and make the kicker think more about the kick. Honestly, I've seen that work more then the new and improved technique.

    OT, I wonder how everyone would have reacted if Bill introduced this new technique ?
     
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    Re: The last second timeout before a FG try at the end of the game -For it or Against

    I have no problem with the rule the way it stands now. It's part of the strategy of the game. Do you think that coach's are going to hold onto a TO just in case there is a last minute kick to win the game? Not if it can be used to better advantage earlier. So if a coach has a TO at that point why not use it? "Icing" the kicker can ultimately help the kicker, knowing what the wind is going to do, calm them down etc. I see advantages both ways, so the rules should stand the way they are now.
     

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