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  1. marcus

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    I am not saying it WILL happen

    but what if the JETS came in with an offer for MOSS that the Patriots could not match?

    It would be smart for the JETS, because they would weaken the Patriots and strengthen themselves at the same time.

    They have plenty of cap space too.

    I know we may soon have an answer, but I still think not using the franchise tag here was extremely risky and asking for trouble
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    NO its not happening, Belichick would not let this happen, plus if that happened , who is covering Moss?? That would be more scary for us.. But Im still being the optimist, Moss will be a Pat
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Thanks a lot pal. I really needed to read this on top of everything else. :mad:
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    There would be no need for a poison pill. The Patriots don't have the right to match offers to Moss. He could, and I think will, give the team the opportunity to "match" any offer he receives, but unlike with restricted/franchised/transition players, the Pats would not have to match verbatim the terms of the other teams offer. In other words, they could remove any parts of the offered contract they don't like and supplement those sections with their own terms.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    He is not a restricted free agent so I don't see where a poisin pill comes in.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Who is going to throw him the ball? Clemens is not very accurate and Pennington cant throw it that far.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Look - He's not going there. It comes down to one thing with Randy, and it's not money, it's who's trowing him the ball. The Jets and 90% of the rest of the league is just another Oakland to him - He wants to play catch with a Hall of Fame passer......he has that here.

    He passed on Brett and Green Bay to come here last year - He likes the system, like the coach, loves the owner and likes to on the cover of sports illustrated - Who's going to get him there? Pennington? Delhome? Please.

    Of course, the money has to be there as well. He ain't playing for peanuts - but I promise...he is playing for New England.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Moss is playing now for the Ring and HOF. The Jets aren't going anywhere.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    If moss wants to lose 10+ games a year the Jets or Panthers would be a perfect fit, but i dont think his intentions are just all about the biggest contract. Not saying he is a lock to remain here but not a chance scrub teams like that have any shot at him.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    I hope you are correct.
    It seems that right now the Jets are focused on Faneca.

    But given the bad blood between the Organizations, I would be surprised if it did not cross their mind.
    Apparently Coles is not 100% and their offense sucked last year.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Exactly and the only people that don't see it for what it is, are annoying freaking Sports writers that are just looking to have their story/blog linked to message boards like these to increase their ad rate........and our loving Pats fans that are a little too nervous.

    Stay strong people. Teddy's back, Seau will be back, the Front Office will work magic in the draft and we will be well on our way to another great season. :)

    If you doubt anyone that was on the team last year, then don't doubt 18-0 and a lucky lighting strike in the SB.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    QB, OL were bigger issues than WR.
    They have bigger issues to worry about and Randy probably wants to play for a team with a proven winner at QB and or a serious SB contender. Unless there is something about the Jets that I don't know I'd say the Jets don't fit any of those requirements. I'd say there is a handfull of teams that would fit those requirements. Indy, SD, Dall, Giants. I'd say Green Bay but Lord Favre could retire at anytime.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    i don't care if the jests take moss. it will kill them on the cap and they have no one to throw to him anyway.

    the new york media will bring back the grandstanding, sulking Moss and the signing would be a bust. the good Moss will play for no one but the patriots.

    the only way the jests could really stick it to the patriots is by winning the division.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    If the Patriots do not offer a financially competitive contract with what he could make on the open Market,

    Brady or no Brady, Ring or No Ring...he will be gone.

    The non use of the franchise tag, took away a great deal of leverage that they could have had.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Indy...unlikely, last time I heard a cap update with them they were quarter of a million over cap per NFL network.
    SD...yeah.
    Dallas...no. TO and Moss on the same team?? please.
    Giants...dont think so. Theyre front 4 is good, but that's it. I'm still not sold on Eli. Sorry.
    GB...they'd be stupid for shelling out the money when they have the receiver core they do and with Brett retiring at any time.
    Jax...yes.
    NE...YES!:D
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Really? Do you happen to remeber how much money he left in Oakland? Let me remind you....a lot.

    Brady and a Ring is all that matters. Well, and Kraft and Belichick too.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Btw, I was just expanding on your ideas. Youre exactly right...just going through all of the teams you named and looking at the possibility of them actually landing him.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    After being mired in Oakland, I'm sure Randy will chase the $ that the Jets offer because he wants to win and by doing that he has a good shot at a ring by playing for the AFC juggernaut known as the NY Jets.:rolleyes:
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Well, him and Chad were teammates at Marshall...

    :rolleyes:
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    The Jets? You mean the Raiders East?

    How'd that work out for Moss last time?
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    I don't see them being interested in Moss. They've already been really active in FA. I just don't see it at all.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    The Patriots will pick the value they think should be assigned to Moss and they will offer it. If they do their jobs correctly, anyone who pays more will be getting less value for their dollar. If this happens in our division, so be it. It's a double whammy for that team. We save the money and another team overpays. It's the beauty of the philosophy.

    Don't fret. Seriously. Either way it will be ok.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Why would Moss want to play for the Jets?
    Why would the Jets spend their cap money on Moss. They have less cap room than major needs. I think last I saw they had about 17 mill. They aren't going to spend half of it on Moss (more in your scenario where they give him crazy money just to hurt the Pats) and leave all of their other holes unfilled?

    The Jets are worried about their team, contrary to what some believe they don't make every decision with how can we hurt the Patriots in mind.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Can someone please explain exactly what a 'poison pill' clause is?
    I know we talked about it last year with Wes Welker...but I was looking for an accurate definition for a better understanding. Thanks.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    A "poison pill" only works in a situation in which a team has the right under the CBA to match another team's offer. It is basically a clever way that players and their agents have figured out to make restricted free agents into basically free agents.

    A restricted free agent is a three year player whose contract is up. Clubs are permitted to make that player a qualifying offer, which is just a certain amount of money for a one year contract. If they do that, they get two things: (1) the right to match any offer any other team makes, and (2) the right to compensation (in the form of a draft pick) if another team signs the player. The round of the draft pick depends on how much the offer is for. The player is then free to negotiate with other teams. If he doesn't find a deal by mid-April, his rights revert to the original club. If he does find an offer from another team, that's where the poison pill comes in.

    The poison pill is something that the new offering club puts in the contract to make it impossible for the original club to match the contract. For example, if someone wanted to make an offer to a Patriots' restricted free agent, but didn't want the Patriots to be able to match it, they could put in a provision that the player would get a $20 million bonus if he played 5 games during the year in the state of Massachusettes. This would make it impossible for the Patriots to match, and thus they would lose the player but get the compensation draft pick.

    Poison pills are seen as unseemly by the clubs, because they pretty much defeat the whole principle of restricted free agency. Last year, Welker was a RFA and the Dolphins tendered him at a price where they were only entitled to a 2d round pick if another team signed him. Patriots wanted to make him an offer, and there was some speculation they would put in a poison pill to make it impossible for the Dolphins to match. At the end, though, they didn't do that. Rumor is that Kraft thought it unseemly, so instead, they made a "trade" where they gave the Dolphins the same 2d round pick they would have received as compensation and also a 7th round pick. The 7th round pick was unnecessary for the Patriots to give. They did it solely to avoid the unpleasantness of a poison pill.

    The status of the poison pill in the future is unknown. The Kraft/New England experience seems to indicate that it is not in vogue. At the same time, the Union has a right to be angry about it if owners are colluding to deprive players of a legitimate weapon in their arsenal. But how do you prove it? A player would need to show that another team wanted him, could have used a poison pill, but did not. Tough to show. Welker's agent (I think -- maybe it was the union) actually filed a greivance, but that was silly, because he got what he wanted in the end. If the Patriots had stood on principle and not used the poison pill, and had not offered the 7th round pick, it might have been dicey. But, anyway, none of this has anything to do with Moss.
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Sure Moss leaves Oakland to eventually play for the Jets....:rolleyes:
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Who cares????

    If he all of the sudden changes his stance, the Pats don't want him anyway.

    Stupid thread... inane thread... inept thread...
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    Re: The JETS could really stick it to the Patriots if....

    Thank you, PatsFaninAZ.
    That was a great explanation. I wonder why you never hear the talking head mediots ever talk about the "poison pill" during this time of year?
    I fear if the Pats ever did it, it would be 'cheating.'
    If anyone else did it, it would be 'shrewd business.'
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