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    By now, we've read about the tragedy of the bridge collapsing in Minnesota. For several years, there have been many news articles about our infrastructure being badly in need of repairs. Our older areas have old bridges, tunnels, sewers, and so on. The cost of bringing these things up to standard is probably astronomical. I think taxes will have to be raised to address these problems.

    A quick search led me to this:

    http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/index.cfm

    How will we come up with the $1.6 trillion to restore our infrastructure?
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    Personally I trust the older bridges and tunnels (like the Tobin and Callahan) more than I do the newer ones (like the Zakim and Ted Williams).
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    Wasn't that the cost of the Big Dig alone:rolleyes: Seriously though, I was watching MSNBC this morning and they made the point that repairing these are usually low priority in a lot of municipalities. Put a new civic center, shopping mall or sports stadium up to a vote and see how far down the ladder fixing a bridge goes.
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    It's a big problem. I have walked across the Longfellow Bridge, from Cambridge to Beacon Hill. That Bridge is a wreck, with some of the railings practically rusted through and parts of the sidewalk in bad disrepair, and one gets the feeling that it's not a good bridge for supporting trucks, cars, and the Red Line. Boston has been talking about repairing it for years, but maybe the tragedy in Minnesota will be a wake up call. At any rate, this is the perfect kind of issue for the Boston Herald. I hope they start a series on our crumbling infrastructure. I do think that to address our infrastructure will require a substantial tax increase, and the longer we wait, the greater the increase.
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    #24 Jersey

    Roads, bridges and stuff, isn't that what the gas tax is supposed to pay for ? Regardless, you guys in Boston, or wherever, can feel free to pay for it how you like - my federal dollars shouldn't be going towards it.
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    I'm sure it is a big problem. And now after the totally indefensible rip-off debacle of the Big Dig fiasco, I'm sure that people in the Boston area are scared shirtless about committing money to any more infrastructure improvement "proposals". I sincerely hope the goose that layed the golden egg has not been eaten for dinner already.




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    The Bridge:

    How long before the "Conspiracy Stuff" starts,
    Bush's Fault
    Cheney's Fault
    Haliburton's Fault
    GLOBAL WARMING'S FAULT.

    There was one bugged eyed reporter blabbing and drooling on the news awhile ago saying a Jack Hammer caused it.

    This bridge was inspected in 2006, they said it didn't need repairs until 2020 :confused:

    A Jack Hammer :singing:

    You Can't Believe A Damn Thing That The Scum Bag Politicians Tell You Today

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    Dig a few clams for me, Harry.


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    Here's one of the liberals' favorite tricks:

    1) Liberal says "we need to raise taxes to provide support for our failing infrastructure."

    2) General population responds "we don't like tax raises, but this is certainly a good idea worth funding."

    3) Taxes are raised, much revenue gets generated.

    4) Over the next few years a few minor, cosmetic repairs are made but the vast majority of the new revenue is swallowed up by the bureaucracy and the corrupt unions.

    5) Liberal says "we need to raise taxes to provide support for our failing infrastructure."

    6) Go to step 2.
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    They need Democrat Jack Hammers, those damn Republican Jack Hammers are no good.

    I still think Global Warming had a lot to with this.

    Chavez Oil----------Good
    Haliburton Oil-------Bad
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    Harry, you forgot muslims.What happened? :eek: :D
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    If we want to live in a civilized society, with police, firefighters, teachers,decent roads,and bridges etc. All the things we take for granted. We have to pay dues. Those's dues come in the form of taxes. All of us want to pay less in taxes,but if we want the things I mentioned above they have to be payed for some how. Unfortionatly many times our tax money is used for things we don't want,or to line the pockets of politicians,and others.
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    The Liberals would be all over me, if it was the Muslims Ann Coulter will get to the bottom of it and let us know :D

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    Thats why the democrats love to raise taxes, instead of using the money to fix bridges they will use it
    "To Buy Condoms For Africa" and if there is any Left Over they will take it home and put it in their Freezer with their Chicken Wings. :singing:
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    #24 Jersey

    Thanks for the bulletin.

    I think we pay enough :

    Federal Income Tax.
    State Income Tax.
    Sales Tax.
    Property Tax.
    Gas Tax.
    Inheritance Tax.
    Capital Gains Tax.
    Medicare (tax).
    Social Security (tax).
    Car Registration (tax).
    Sin tax(es).

    Probably a few others I forgot. Seems like it's enough to me :confused:
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    More than enough,it makes me cringe. Oh you forgot the tax on breathing,clean air that is.
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    This is what kills me about the bridge collapse. The super structure had a rating of 4 after inspection. A 5 means it has to be corrected ,its deteriorated to the point of haveing to be fixed. The road surface recieved a 6. So what was money targeted for LOOKS, the road surface. It's annalagous to putting a new roof on a house that the cellar walls,and main beams are failing.
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    As usual, the righties have no solutions. They're simply trying to pass blame. No wonder they're starting to lose elections. They lack ideas to real problems. If our infrastructure is in bad shape, it will obviously cost an enormous amount of money to fix it. Do the righties continue to favor deficit spending? Do they favor borrowing for the WOT and for our infrastructure? I think it's clear they simply favor trying to blame someone else and shirking responsibility. The righies might talk about personal responsibility, but they're always the first to blame the other guy.
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    I have a great solution... stop giving free welfare, free housing and free health care to every single illegal immigrant that manages to break into our country (including the ones already here). Take the savings from that and spend it on infrastructure improvements.

    Of course, the moonbats just fall back on the solution they always fall back on... MORE TAXES!!
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    One trillion and counting for the Iraq debacle, if that money could be used for infrastructure and the schools we might be in much better shape. I have to laugh at the righties who laugh at the lefties over spending, this adm has spent more than any other, instead of raising taxes and paying as they go they passed the debt on to our children and grandchildren.. what a fiasco, talk about double speak.
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    Something is going on, have you ever seen a bridge just fall to the ground like that, when a bridge collapses from fatigue it is usually just one or two sections, watch the video of the collapse, the whole thing goes down just like a pancake :confused:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html

    "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.

    Okay, that gets us around 1% towards our goal of $1.6 trillion. With solutions like yours is it any surprise that conservatives have built up such big deficits?
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    Uh oh, I bet Terry Glenn is a Cowgirl will agree with you.
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    It was the desighn of the bridge.It had no center piller for supporting the middle section.It was an arch design I think most of the wgt. was supported by the center of the arch.And when that let go there was nothing left to support the rest of the bridge.
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    Yeah, you're right... saving $104 billion over the next 10 years to spend on other things like schools, infrastructure and health care for citizens is a horrible idea... what was I thinking..?!? :rolleyes:

    Oh, and why don't you throw in the other costs of illegal immigration..? You know, stupid things like increased prison populations and all the victims of drunk driving..? Oh wait... you don't want to hear about any of that... you'd prefer putting your head in the sand...
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    #24 Jersey

    No we're not. Need roads in Boston ? Build them. And pay for it within your budget structure. Just don't ask ME to pay for YOUR roads.
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    No way you're going to get close to the $1.6 trillion whatever you throw in. Not only that, you'd have the problem that the vast majority of people wouldn't want to let kids go hungry and homeless and the cost of actually deporting all the illegals would be very high and probably cancel out most of the savings. So, besides the moral issues and complex legal issues (such as what to do about the children of illegal immigrants who are born here and thus have US citizenship), I just think your math doesn't solve the problem of raising $1.6 trillion.
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    You're right... let's just tax every single man, woman and child in the United States $4,000 right now. No matter their age or their income. After all, we can all afford it, right..? :rolleyes:
    This is another thing that amuses me about the idiocy of you liberals... you see an expensive figure, and you just assume it is the absolute gospel truth... some study says "$1.6 trillion" and it never occurs to your feeble little mind to question their sources, their reasoning or their methodology. That amount of money can buy over 100 Big Digs... so I have a hard time believing that that much money, and not a single penny less, is what we need to prevent ever single road in the country from completely distintegrating before our very eyes...
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    Or we can have a progressive tax increase whereby the wealthy pay much more (and of course it wouldn't be anywhere near $4,000 on average unless we chose to raise all the money for all the projects in one year).

    It's the only number I found. I'm not saying it's the right number, but clearly much of America is more than 100 years old and things tend to break down over that time period. Some things have been fixed or replaced, but sewer systems, bridges, tunnels, and other infrastructure elements often have not. In the absence of another number I'll use the one I found, which is far more legitimate than anything you've offered. Obviously, your only solution is to hope it won't cost that much. That's not really much of a solution at all.

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