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    Both the owners and the players make more money than the average person can even dream about. But that's not enough, they each must have that one or two extra percentage points of the cash cow called the NFL whose very coffers are filled by fans not the players or the owners. They all ought to be ashamed for being so selfish and greedy that they would rather destroy each other and screw their fanbase than realize what a sweet deal they have. It really just makes me sick. What filthy pigs......
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    Fight for your NFL

    call these greedy pigs and demand that they get something done, NOW. spread these numbers around to other boards and get fans on the horn.

    National Football League Players Association at 800-372-2000

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    So they're apparently willing to end it all over 4 percentage points. Why can't each side give up 2 percentage points and come to an agreement? What's "magic" about 56 percent or 58 percent as opposed to 60 percent for the NFLPA? I blame Upshaw for this fiasco.
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    Chris Mortensen remarked this morning that the owner's had offered 58% as a compromise.
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    If that's true then screw the NFLPA!
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    settle down, fellas, it will be just fine. Ignore them, and they'll work it out. You can't jump up and down over every new story, especially when virtually everything written about it is part of the negotiation. See Borges, Ron, who's been carrying Gene Upshaw's water for years.
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    There is a reason he got fired by the NHLPA, the NFLPA would be wise to follow suit.
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    Its called capitalism. Without capitalism there wouldnt BE an NFL.
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    No, its called compromise. Without compromise there is chaos.
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    This is a more than a two party deal. Maybe now those "welfare' owners regret the day that they ever brought up the sharing of "total revenue".

    It looks like the union jumped on that and now we have a mess. They can't agree with the union when they can't agree with each other. And now the union won't back away from 'total revenues".

    The lazy owners, with publicly built stadiums, should have kept heir mouths shut until after a deal with the union. What a bunch of stupid bastards.
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    The entire process is compromise. Why should one side give in but not the other? Both have made concessions to this point, and both feel they have conceeded as much as they want to, or at least that is their negotiating position.

    Your original point was they were blindly greedy, my point is that this is a requirement of capitalism, and a good deal would never be struck if either side didn't look out for their best interests.

    What leads you to believe there has been no compromise already done? The players have comporomised in accepting a cap, which is awful for them. The owners have compromised in giving an unusually high percentage of their revenues to players.

    The bottom line is that owners spend a GREAT DEAL of money to buy and run franchises, and players are in a career that is over usually in their early 30s, so neither can afford to strike a deal that isnt in their best interest just to have a deal. I think you are sweating much more than either side in the negotiations that there is an impasse. Part of negotiation is you must make your concessions painful for the other side, or you will be end up conceeding much more than you want to.

    Example, I am selling you something for $10,000, and you want to pay $8,000. We would probably both agree to $9000, but the first side to concede weakens their position. If you say 8500, then I now see the midpoint as 9250 instead of 9000. It may not make everyone feel comfortable from the outside, but no one is giving in what they are willing to until they are forced to.
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    Greed is not a requirement of capitalism, it transcends economic systems. In the hay day of the Soviet Union there were plenty of greedy communists. Those people were most certainly not capitalists, at least not then.
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    There were articles yesterday saying that the owners would go as high as 59% for this year.

    So yes, F the NFLPA. Especially since the money they want will severly jack up the Sal Cap as it is.
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    AJ- I should been clearer. I was employing a simplistic statement that compromise is what the process should be called as an alternative to your capitalism statement. So, we are on the same page about compromise being necessary and what it is.

    An example of the greed (that both sides are exhibiting) I'm talking about was in the paper today. Upshaw actually said that "the last four years have been awful for the players." Wow, the lack of perspective is a amazing.....
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    He could be right.

    In fact with any union, EVERYTHING is bad for some members.
    The inherent dilemma in a union is that they are negotiating for ALL of the members, and they have different objectives.

    If you say he lacks perspective, I would assume you are talking about the handful of guys making mega millions. How about the other side? Every penny paid to one player under a capped system is taken away from someone else. The 'jag' veteran certainly has not been treated well the last 4 years. Help him and you must take money from the mega star.

    Upshaw is actually correct, but he isn't saying anything that any union leader could not say at any time, depending on which angle he is looking from.
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    Why don't they take that 1 or 2 % difference and start an academic scholarship fund for young people who can't afford college? I'm sorry, what's wrong with me to suggest such a thing - I forgot those greedy pukes have to feed their families..........
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    I don't really care if you call it capitalism or socialism or taoism.
    I don't care if the owners are to blame or the players are to blame.

    Just tell me one thing. Will the result of no CBA mean that rich owners
    will be in a much better position to buy a Championship in the long term?
    I think it will.

    Even though my team is one of the rich teams, this will turn me off. It
    has been one reason why I don't watch the MLB.

    I am even considering trying to find some other passion that can take the
    place of my NFL passion in the event the NFL turns into a MLB type league.
    It will be awful hard but this is how strongly I feel about this.

    Let the FANs boycott the NFL on game day until a CBA is made. No going to the game or watching the NFL on TV.
    I bet things would get solved very fast.
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    AJ - In fact, I am talking about the scrubs and the stars. Even the lowliest NFL player makes much more than the average man on the street for playing game. Saying such a situation is "awful" lacks perspective, and is so myopic that I am surprised more fans aren't turned off by his words. Given the chance , I bet Upshaw would choose different words.

    the real point is there is $4 billion of income PER YEAR to be divied up between a fairly small group of people - the owners (and the people who work for them) and the players ( and their agents and union) - and each side is so dissatisified with their share they'd rather shoot their golden goose than find some way to get along. $4 billion per year and it's not enough - that is real, filthy, blood sucking greed.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the case of the NFLPA I believe the players themselves do not vote on anything. That responsibility of accepting or declining a deal is up to the representative(s) and the representative(s) only. Which is unlike any other union. You would assume that the person appointed as rep. would have their collective best interests in mind but who knows.

    Rhetorical question-I wonder what the players think about what's going down?
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    You wont win with me with that argument for 2 reasons.
    1) The lifespan of an NFL career makes what the 'lowliest player' makes add up to a whole lot less than it seems. If he makes 300,000 for 3 years, he is washed up looking for a job at 25.

    2) These players make what they make because they have an ability. They DESERVE to make more than you (I dont mean you personally, but euphamistically) because they have a talent that people will pay money to see. You make what you are worth in terms of revenue to the company you work for. If you are a smart, hardworking, talented guy, you make more than average, because you deliver more value, in terms of revenue to the company. People that make less than the NFL minimum deliver less value to thier company than the NFL player delievers to his company/team.
    Its that simple, its capitalism.
    Just as I would never tell the guy making minimum wage he should take less because he delivers little value in his work product, I wouldnt tell the NFL player to take less, since that would be saying since you have a valuable talent that earns you more money than the average guy, you shouldnt be paid for that talent, and should think like someone who doesnt have it and be happy that you make more than him.

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