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  1. DarrylS

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    don't throw out the baby with the bath water, but Rolling Stone has a pretty good indepth article on the fraud being perpetuated in Iraq.. billions of dollars of fraud that will be paid for by our children and grandchildren.. many get rich and it is not the men and women with boots on the ground..it is a long article, 9 pages, so those amongst us who are ADD probably not start it.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle

    How is it done? How do you screw the taxpayer for millions, get away with it and then ride off into the sunset with one middle finger extended, the other wrapped around a chilled martini? Ask Earnest O. Robbins -- he knows all about being a successful contractor in Iraq.
    You start off as a well-connected bureaucrat: in this case, as an Air Force civil engineer, a post from which Robbins was responsible for overseeing 70,000 servicemen and contractors, with an annual budget of $8 billion. You serve with distinction for thirty-four years, becoming such a military all-star that the Air Force frequently sends you to the Hill to testify before Congress -- until one day in the summer of 2003, when you retire to take a job as an executive for Parsons, a private construction company looking to do work in Iraq.

    Now you can finally move out of your dull government housing on Bolling Air Force Base and get your wife that dream home you've been promising her all these years. The place on Park Street in Dunn Loring, Virginia, looks pretty good -- four bedrooms, fireplace, garage, 2,900 square feet, a nice starter home in a high-end neighborhood full of spooks, think-tankers and ex-apparatchiks moved on to the nest-egg phase of their faceless careers. On October 20th, 2003, you close the deal for $775,000 and start living that private-sector good life.....

    According to the most reliable *estimates, we have doled out more than $500 billion for the war, as well as $44 billion for the Iraqi reconstruction effort. And what did America's contractors give us for that money? They built big steaming **** piles, set brand-new trucks on fire, drove back and forth across the desert for no reason at all and dumped bags of nails in ditches. For the most part, nobody at home cared, because war on some level is always a waste. But what happened in Iraq went beyond inefficiency, beyond fraud even. This was about the business of government being corrupted by the profit motive to such an extraordinary degree that now we all have to wonder how we will ever be able to depend on the state to do its job in the future. If catastrophic failure is worth billions, where's the incentive to deliver success? There's no profit in patriotism, no cost-plus angle on common decency. Sixty years after America liberated Europe, those are just words, and words don't pay the bills.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Just keep this in mind whenever anyone says the words:

    "Universal Helath Care"
     
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    The Iraq War: worst. decision. ever.
     
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    Exactly Right.

    This sort of waste is outrageous... and unfortunately more the rule than the exception when the government spends a lot of money This same sort of story could be done about any program in the war on poverty and all the entitlement programs as well as many government infrastructure.

    The part of this article which is wrong and dishonest is to give the impression that this sort of waste started with the Bush administration. The difference is that liberals don't care about it when it is a liberal socail program of domestic pork projects.
     
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    That's all true, but when opponents of social programs who also happen to be war hawks whine about the costs of medical insurance, welfare and education, they also conveniently conveniently avoid bringing up the cost of the military, big business subsidies and foreign aid, as if those programs are somehow efficiently run. The government can't do anything right. War cost also has to include the other detrimental costs such as loss of good will, the slaughter of civilians and soldiers, the destruction of infrastructure, and the environmental degradation
     
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    In the opinion of this right winger I think it goes with government spending and when the crooks are caught they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    I also know some of the absurdities occur because of the byzantine rules the accompany military contracts and acquisition policies.
     
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    I do not understand this in the context of Iraq fraud, sounds you are comparing that is happening to something that might happen.. is the Iraq fraud ok?? Just another side effect of the Iraq debacle??
     
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    FTW is making the point that this is happens with ALL government programs it is the nature of the beast.
     
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    Sure, the War on Obesity or the War on AIDS or the War on Heart Disease are exactly like the War on Terror. I can't believe anyone even questioned the segue:rolleyes:



    No he was trying to distract by bringing up something completely irrelevant. I just don't understand why he didn't bring out the big gun which of course is the C word...


    ...Clinton of course, not see you next Tuesday.
     
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    The war on Poverty programs and entitlement programs like Medicare are rife with fraud and wasted money. Unlike wars they go on forever.

    The point which seems to escape you is that government when it spends lots of money wastes lots of money.
     
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    There will be those who say follow the money and maybe you can get closer to the truth, and there will be those that say it is ok because it happens all the time in gov't operations.. it is what it is profiting from this conflict and taking away from those who are in combat.. IMO all fraud is bad, but this is a lot bad..
     
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    yay... let's pretend a health care scenario that doesn't exist compares with the near trillion-dollars in fraud in Iraq... how convenient...

    anyhow, here's the difference:


    Iraq fraud whistleblowers ‘vilified.’

    A new AP investigation finds that despite the “staggering mess” plaguing Iraq reconstruction, people who have attempted to blow the whistle and clean up the fraud have been shunned by the federal government:

    One way to blow the whistle is to file a “qui tam” lawsuit (taken from the Latin phrase “he who sues for the king, as well as for himself”) under the federal False Claims Act.

    Signed by Abraham Lincoln in response to military contractors selling defective products to the Union Army, the act allows private citizens to sue on the government’s behalf.

    The government has the option to sign on, with all plaintiffs receiving a percentage of monetary damages, which are tripled in these suits. […]

    But the government has not joined a single quit tam suit alleging Iraq reconstruction abuse, estimated in the tens of millions. At least a dozen have been filed since 2004.​
     
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    Read soewhere that the whole whistleblower statute has been severely watered down by this adm.. used to be a good vehicle that would protect those who witnessed wrongdoing, now it is like the argument of "what was she wearing in a rape trial"..
     

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