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    Looking back on that game, just some thoughts...

    - The Pats had the first legit drive of the game going, in the 1st quarter. They had gotten all the way to the Giants' 29 as the quarter ended. On 2nd and 7 from the 29, Brady threw a pass short over the middle to Branch that was intercepted by Kiwanuka. NFL Videos: Kiwanuka INT

    It was a bad read by Brady because he waited for Branch to get inside Kiwanuka, but by waiting it allowed Boley to sneak over and bat the ball up in the air, which Kiwanuka snagged for the pick. That's at least 3 points right there.

    - Later on in the first half, Gostowski missed a 27 yard field goal with 3 seconds left in the half. The Pats had the ball 1st and 10 at the NY 11, but the drive stalled at the 8. That's another 7 or, at a minimum, 3, points lost by the Pats.

    - Brady's 2nd pick, another ill-advised throw (he had Welker wide open short right, and Brady stared at him before throwing to Gronk) led to an interception by Deon Grant (NFL Videos: Brady's second INT). That ended up leading to a NY field goal. Another 3 points that cost NE.

    - The very next possession (we're in the 3rd quarter now), Brady gets hit on a 3rd and 10 play from the NE 16 by Boley, causing a fumble that the Giants recover. Next play, Jacobs runs it in. Another 7 points that cost NE.

    - Finally, the Pats get it in gear, marching down the field to the Giants' 14, but on 3rd down, Brady misses Ochocinco and Gostowski ends up kicking a FG. 10-3 Giants. Note: A HUGE play on that drive was the fact that the Pats actually had to punt, but the Giants muffed the punt and NE got the ball back. Big play.

    - Here's where the Giants really pay the Pats back for a mistake. They drive right down the field, really, for the first time all game. They have the ball on NE's 5, 3rd and goal, and Eli gets picked by Arrington. Great play by Arrington actually. See 1:15 here (NFL Videos: Giants vs. Patriots highlights.

    - The Pats are able to march right down the field and score a TD to tie the game at 10. After they force a Giants' punt, they go down the field again and get another FG, putting the Pats up 13-10. At this point, the Pats' offense was looking pretty good.

    - NY gets the ball and on this drive we have one of the key plays of the game. On 1st and 10 from the NYG 25, Eli throws deep down the left sideline. Arrington has GREAT coverage, but his back is turned. Really no contact, but the refs throw the flag anyway. See 2:13 here (). Ends up leading to a Giants' TD that gives them the lead, 17-13.

    - Pats get the ball back and rip down the field, culminating in a Brady-to-Gronk TD on 4th and 8 with about a minute and a half left. Pats up 20-17. Wild finish in store.

    - Giants' final drive. Biggest play of the drive, 3rd and 10 from the Giants' 39. Very similar spot as the Tyree play, actually. Eli throws a seam route to Ballard who is bracketed by two Pats' defenders. Ballard makes an incredible twisting catch between the two defenders, prompting Aikman to say that he may never make a better catch in his life. It's at 3:25 here (NFL Videos: Giants vs. Patriots highlights. Later in the drive, Sergio Brown commits PI to give the ball to NY on the one yard line. Eventually, Eli hits Ballard for a diving TD in the left of the end zone for the win. On that play, the Pats had Tracy White on the coverage, and he misread the play completely.

    Here's the lesson I take from the game: The Pats made some really bad mistakes that cost them the game. Three key turnovers (they had four overall, but one didn't really end up hurting them) that led to a net -9 points for the Pats. Two huge penalties (one which shouldn't have been called, IMO) that led to a net -14 (but let's say -10, because the Giants would likely have gotten a FG if Brown doesn't commit that late PI). That's a net -19 points on Patriots mistakes.

    Now, about those mistakes. It's unlikely that Sergio Brown or Tracy White will be playing significant snaps for NE in the Super Bowl. In fact, neither played a single defensive snap for the Patriots against the Ravens. Arrington, who made the other key PI penalty, certainly should play a lot this time around, but he had a pretty good game other than the penalty.

    Brady's fumble wasn't his fault - that was good pressure by the Giants...Pats need to make sure that doesn't happen again. But the two picks were worrisome. Why? Because Brady has had ball security issues in the playoffs recently.

    2009 - vs. Ravens - Brady has 3 ints
    2010 - vs. NYJ - Brady has 1 bad, bad int
    2011 - vs. Den - Brady has a great game overall, but had a terrible throw for a pick
    2011 - vs. Bal - Brady has 2 ints

    And 2011 regular season against the Giants, Brady has two bad ints. In other words, he's thrown at least one interception in each of his last 4 playoff games. It's becoming "normal" for Brady to throw a pick in a playoff game. The Pats really cannot afford to make those kinds of mistakes again.

    The good news is that he's totally capable of avoiding those mistakes (witness his entire 2010 season with just 4 picks). And if he does avoid them, they're likely to be in good shape.
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    Not to mention that when 2 teams meeting in the SB that met during the regular season, the losing team is 3-1 in the SB.

    Does this means teams learn more about an opponent or have been film by losing?
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    Of all the talk about the Giants pressure, both of those passes were unforced mental errors. On the second one, Chad is wide open to the left.

    Both are also a result of not putting loft under the ball. Maybe Tom is trying too hard to prove he can beat the Giants and trying to zip it in there. He needs to get that out of his system or they will lose this game.

    Also, he needs to hang in the pocket. He didn't need to force these balls... Phantom pass rush in his head. Giants remind me a bit of Freeney Mathis Colts only better.
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    Belichick losing to a team twice in a single season is somewhat of a rarity. He must see something in the film. I like our chances against Eli and the Giants. I'd rather toyed with the 49ers, but they gave the Giants the trip to the Super Bowl. If I was a Giants fan, I wouldn't be so overconfident facing the Pats for a second time this year.
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    That stat is incorrect.

    The '83 Raiders lost to the '83 Redskins in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '86 Giants beat the '86 Broncos in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '90 Giants lost to the '90 Bills in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '93 Cowboys lost to the '93 Bills in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '99 Rams lost to the '99 Titans in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '01 Pats lost to the '01 Rams in the regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    The '07 Giants lost to the the '07 Pats in regular season, then got revenge in the SB.

    There could be more instances of rematches, but wrt the matchups I've listed, the original loser is 6-1 in SB rematches. The reason for that? Who knows?
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    Revenge for beating someone?

    I kid.
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    I found this SI article that was published around the time of the Pats/Rams SB:

    CNNSI.com - Statitudes - Statitudes: Rams-Pats stage Super rematch - Tuesday January 29, 2002 02:15 AM

    SB XXXVI and SB XLII make it 7-5 in favor of the team that lost the regular season matchup. Interesting that the Pats have been part of the last two and now the most recent matchup of this type (i.e. facing a team in the SB that they faced in the regular season).
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    LOL whoops. I got a bit too robotic and just zoned out writing the last part of the sentence.
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    Hmm. Wow. I guess it makes sense, though. If you blow out a team, you're probably much better. If it's a close game, though, it could go either way.

    Yeah, we were also involved in the '85 re-matchup.
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    BB losing at home is a rarity the Gmen took care of. Also, losing 2 games in a row is a rarity, which the Giants handed to them.
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    The G-man losing at home was less of a rarity, however, since they lost half of their home games. Losing 2 games in a row was also something they did twice (losing four in a row). Maybe Bill learned something from them! :)
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    Does anyone think the marginal PI call against Arrington with under 6 minutes to go, and the Pats up 13-10, would get called in the Super Bowl?

    It was a 35-yard penalty, and the Giants took the lead 17-13 on that drive. :bricks:

    Added: In general, Arrington vs Manningham seems to have been a mismatch in the Giants' favor.
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    Just call Shanahan.

    His team has abviously owned the Giants this season.
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    So glad this time around Sergio Brown will be playing on ST's and ST's only Teammates have no fear of being tackled by one of your own.
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