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  1. Patters

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    Young voters hint at electorate shift - USATODAY.com

    A USA TODAY/MTV/Gallup Poll of registered voters 18 to 29 years old shows Democrat Barack Obama leading Republican John McCain by 61%-32%, the most lopsided contest within an age group in any presidential election in modern times.

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    Some Republicans fear that whatever the outcome Nov. 4, movement of this generation to Obama could set political views through their lifetimes, reverberating in future elections.

    "This is the equivalent of the Reagan brigades, where a whole class of people identify with a politician," says Dan Bartlett, a veteran of the Bush White House, calling it "a real wake-up call" for the GOP. Bartlett, 37, grew up during Reagan's presidency, which begat a generation of young conservatives.
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    But he knows Ayers, Rezko and a bunch of other shady figures.. the voices of the young should be heard..
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    Not to worry, the party out of power always looks good; just like the backup QB on most teams. Maybe it's more extreme right now but when the Dems get full control and nothing gets better it will sway back again. Sorry to interrupt what's bound to be a Democrat Circle Jerk though.
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    In all honesty, I think the Republican Party is going to face some difficult challenges even if McCain should somehow honestly win this election. The party has alienated a majority of women, blacks, Hispanics, and gays, putting it in a nearable untenable spot. This situation is only going to get worse for the Republicans. Add to that the possibility that the younger generations are leaning strongly Democratic, and the Republicans face a crisis. They will have to change their tune on something -- immigration, affirmative action, social programs for the needy, abortion, etc. But, in doing so, they will force some conservative Republicans to at least take a second look at the Democratic Party as well as to look at third parties.

    My real worry is that if the economy really tanks, McCain's solution will be war while Obama's solution will be more in the spirit of the New Deal. Both approaches are effective at addressing economic meltdowns. Which would you prefer? Seriously.
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    This reminds me of the media talking about the impending doom of the democratic party back during the "republican revolution". Voters 18-29 are almost always more liberal/left than they are conservative/right. Add in a down cycle for Coke, a rehetorical preacher in Obam-uh, and "making history", and you get the increased bounce inside of that demographic. People become more conservative as they get older, so the fact that young people are left leaners doesn't surprise me. Half those people have never voted, don't understand politics well, or aren't working to provide for a family. I will say this, the dems have to deliver if they succeed in winning this election. If they don't, we'll be talking about their demise, and the GOP resurgence, in the next election cycle. When it's Coke or Pepsi, that's how it goes unfortunately. One side sucks, so the other wins, then that side sucks, and the other makes a comeback. All the while, nothing changes, and the people suffer.
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    The economy will be fine once those who caused this debacle -- the criminals like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and all their accomplices -- have been replaced with people who want to help ALL of America instead of just some special interest group.

    With the trouble-makers no longer in the way and wreaking their havoc, the U.S. economy will rebound stronger than ever before. Proper regulation over the markets -- which Frank, Dodd and their comrades bitterly opposed, but which the Bush administration and John McCain desperately called for -- will never again allow scam artists to take advantage of poorly designed social engineering by ideological robots (Frank, Dodd, & Co.) in the form of the CRA to destroy the economy.

    America is not the Soviet Union or any other failed social experiment. Americans trust people to act on their true conscience, not on some fiat from a dictatorial government, be it England's King George or the "new messiah", BarackO. To true Americans God is God; the government is never going to replace God.

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    You are misreading the tea leaves. Republican party "alienating" women??? :wha: How? Sarah Palin has energized women of every race, nationality, religion, and any other criterion -- oh, except the lunatic fringe, but you weren't counting them, either, I'm sure. (Right?)

    How else has this ticket "alienated" anyone?? By standing up for goodness and decency? for families? for personal responsibility? How has McCain-Palin "alienated" anyone??

    The only group whom I can imagine might take offense at McCain-Palin would the rigid ideologues of the extreme radical same-sex lobby, who will find their efforts to force same-sex into every household opposed.

    Outside of this small radical fundamentalist group of ideological straight-jackets, McCain-Palin appeals to every other demographic.

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    I know you will not take the time to watch this, but will try anyways...

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    I suspect there's an older generation of Republicans sinking into irrelevance, and they are flailing about and lashing about looking for someone else to blame for fear the legacy of their views will be a sinking economy and an unstable world. They are too old to take personal responsibility for the failures of their ideas because they can't face up to the fact that it will be part of their legacy. I feel a little bad for them.
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    I have a few thoughts here:

    It always seems to me like younger people lean more heavily Democrat, but there is a shift to Republican as they age. Right now the Dems also have a charismatic figure leading them with which younger people can identify. Republicans this year had a choice between a 73 year old who hardly uses a computer and a flip-flopping robot, so I don't think the shift is entirely unexpected. Also factor in how unpopular the face of the party for the last 8 years is and how his administration is perceived.

    I also think it is a reflection of how the Republican party has become lost in recent years. The best example is how they threw fiscal responsibility out the window, and really let America down in the time they controlled both the White House and Congress.

    I do think it is more difficult to keep together the Republican coalition of economic conservatives, social conservatives, foreign policy hawks, non-interventionist old school conservatives, libertarians, etc. Ideally I'd like to see the socially conservative wing of the party be de-emphasized and focus on some core values that appeal to average Americans (recognizing of course that most Americans are religious, but I don't think they need it espoused by government). I'd love to start with how about we stop with the running up huge deficits, cut taxes across the board BUT also be in favor of closing corporate loopholes, support all types of energy including renewables, and come up with real solutions to stop the growth of entitlement programs by both monitoring efficiency and just plain old making government programs do more or do the same with less dollars (this should also be extended to military spending). Some of these things they already support, but some aren't there yet, and some (like spending) they have the general idea, but no specific plans to implement to actually fix the situation.
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    From here on out, the Stock Market Crisis, and War will be what Republicans are known for...

    If you want to funnel all the money to a select few at the top! vote GOP!

    If you want to tricked into voting for a party that plays lipservice to christian values in order to gain power and money, vote GOP!

    If you want a war, anywhere, no matter the cost, vote GOP!

    Have too many rights and want to get rid of a few? vote GOP!

    401k retirement savings getting a bit too large, and you have no clue what to do with your savings... vote GOP! They'll shrink it down to a manageable size.
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    It wasn't that long ago that James Carville put the bad over his head on election night when the Democrats got crushed. There's only one thing I can say FOR SURE about this thread and it's that anyone who thinks this election means it's over for the Republicans is wrong. That I can say with 100% certainty.
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    God help us all if we lose the check and balance of a multi-party system. When one party gets out of hand and it swings too far right or left then voters can correct that. BTW once a liberal always a liberal isn't true. I voted for MCarthy and Carter. We should be a little worried about the lengths some go to get voters in their camps though. Accorn, Ohio considering you're a resident if you plan to return there over the next four years, convicts gaining voting rights, Michael Moore offering free stuff to register, etc, etc, etc.
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    The Ron Paul Republicans will slowly replace and restore the republican party to where it stood for something and followed through with what it stood for... The Neo-Con version of the GOP is what is wrong, not Republicans and their ideals, but the New-Con agenda...
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    IF Bo wins there will be reeducation camps for pubbies or anyone else who doesn't toe the party line.
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    The changing demographics in this country is going to be what kills the GOP off unless they disavow the racist majority that makes up their party.
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    Racist majority. F*cking joke. It's bad enough when Patters says most/almost all racists are Republican but to say a majority of Republicans are racist is disgusting.
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    Do you mean elected officials or everyone that's republican? The majority of republicans are racist like the majority of the Irish drink? I'm half Irish and dared not use any other example or you'd probably use that as additional "proof" of your claim. Can't you see the irony and hypocracy in your statement?
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    When will the democrats disavow the anti-semites like you?
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    If you are 18-28 and calling yourself a republican, chances are you are not getting laid, that alone is probably skewing the stats.
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    I'm half Irish too and I can admit that Irish people are more fond of alcohol than most other cultures.

    I am talking about Republicans in general. Just look on YouTube. Most of the anti-Obama videos there are racially motivated. Who wants to send the hard working immigrants "back home"? Why are there county chairmen of the McCain campaign who are sending racist emails? Why are there county chairmen of the McCain campaign who claim that Hispanics won't vote for a black person because "Hispanics came over as conquistadors. Blacks came over as slaves" ?
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    Nice try ...what happened between 2000 and 2006?... go back and do your homework now.
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    I don't know. Jews seem to overwhemingly prefer the Democratic Party, except for the "Bill Kristol Jews" like yourself.
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    If you are 18-28 and calling yourself a republican, you've done so about 15-20 years sooner than most.
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    Just a few questions for you. I have others, but I thought a primer to begin would be the way to go...

    Q: Of Which party was Lincoln a member?

    Q: Which party had the southern governors in power during the integration troubles?

    Q: Which party had a higher percentage of its members vote for the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

    Q: Which party currently opposes preferential treatment based upon race while the other party backs racism in the guise of affirmative action?

    Q: Which party opposes school vouchers?

    Q: Which party elected the first black governor?

    Q: Which party elected the first hispanic governor?

    Q: What party was Branch Rickey a member of? Jackie Robinson?

    Q: Which party elected the first asian senator? Asian federal judge? Asian cabinet member?

    Q: Which party had the first hispanic cabinet member?

    Q: Which party had the first black Secretary of State? Black National Security Advisor?

    Q: What percentage of Congressional Democrats voted for the 14th amendment? What percentage of Republicans?


    That should be enough for a start. Whether it's enough to make you think for yourself rather than parrot talking points and other inanities remains to be seen. The decades of brainwashing take time and knowledge to overcome. Hopefully, this will set you on the way to enlightenment.
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    Wrong!

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    Times have changed. The parties have basically switched electorates since the Civil Rights Bill, championed by two Democratic Presidents, was passed.
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    I never received a call from you asking, how do you know? Did Jon Stewart tell you?
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    Now that's some scientific methodology. Youtube video's. :rofl: Let me guess, you're still in college, or close to it.
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    Hmmm....wrong? Really? I'm not sure where the graph is from, or what's it's purpose is, so I'll base my comments on the picture alone. It looks like the "dem" lean, or the blue, goes down from the age of 18, as it gets older. now, again, I don't know what the methodology is, or what question, purpose, or point the graph is supposed to make. What I can see is that more 18 years olds lean Dem, than do repub. By a 60% to 30% margin.

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