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  1. Tyler Faith

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    The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) i.e. the government, mostly current administration, has really changed radio over the last 10 years and has radio stations nationwide scared to cross any line, even slightly over the top behavoir. And now with the invasion of satellite, there's talk that they're going to start regulating that as well.

    Since I do a radio show on the internet that is being considered for satellite, this concerns me because I just think our freedom of speech rights are always being trampled on and wanted to know your thoughts on the subject.

    Does the gov't regulate broadcast radio too much? Should they have the right to regulate satellite radio, a paid service that doesn't cater to the youth of America, moreso over 18 adults who order the service. (even adult channels on satellite require an additional purchase).

    Personally, I'd like to see the gov't back the hell off in both forums but I know that'll never happen.

    Your thoughts? :)

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    I do not think your concerns are specific to the Radio, there has been a backlash about many things considered to be under the broad brush of being permissive. The internet is as responsible for the backlash as it is for the spread of the permissiveness, i.e. the conservative news and blogs on one side and the permissive sides on the other. There have been attempts to regulate the internet, however so far they have been rebuffed. I think this battle will continue to play out for the next several years, however the permissive side will always figure out a way to beat it, i.e. satellite radio and whatever is next. Anything that makes money, will always find a way to beat any system.
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    Yes, but I don't like to join the "blame Bush" crowd in this sort of thing. I may be just a casual observer, but when I think of FCC regulations the first thing that comes to mind is the Howard Stern versus the FCC battles of the mid to late 90's.
    IMHO, no. But I have to admit that it does get a bit complex when dealing with adult subject matter. In a perfect world, parents would prevent their children from being able to access to such material. But in the real world, plenty of kids are out there doing whatever the heck they want.

    However, if I were a parent, I would be much more concerned with the material readily available on the internet than satellite radio.
    My thoughts are that I am afraid that one of these days the government will take the same arguments use to regulate broadcast radio and apply it to satellite. They claim they have the authority to regulate radio because "radio uses public airwaves". This argument that does not apply to cable television, but they could easily make it apply to satellite.
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    I agree...BITG BROTHER is looking to control more and more of everything!! ABSOLUTELY!! The biggest joke was the fines for the Janet Jacskon deal..I mean...PLEASE!! Some guy has his name and street mentioned in California BY a commentator (H's called a terrorist) his house is trashed and such and NOTHING happens to this TV guy who did NOT get all his facts right. THE LATTER is not lookewd at tehformer is ridiculous. Gert the government out of the airwaves!! Parents have responsibilities and need to take them seriously.. I agree..radio is changing and for the worst!! I agree it is something to be concerned about!!
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    Tyler,
    What do you want to do on the Radio that your not allowed to do?
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    It's not a matter of what I personally want to do or anything specifically. In general, creative expression is being micro-managed and like someone else mentioned, parents have the responsibility to guide their kids with a good upbringing so that whatever they're exposed to, they make the right choices in life.

    Everyone blames the internet. But truth be told, kids will find any material they want and have over the years. Before the internet, kids used to find skin mags and videos either from under their parents bed or from people they meet out and about. Did those materials turn them into sex offenders or bad seeds? No. There's a curiousity among kids about anything they hear about. Good parenting will ensure that they get their giggles but not use those materials to influence their every day decisions.

    It's like the mother who sued Judas Priest when her son killed himself listening to their music. "The rock music made him do it" No lady, you had a kid who already had a lot of problems that you didn't attend to and he identified with something that helped him run from his problems. If it wasn't Judas Priest, it would have been something else.

    Back to the topic. I have no problem with adjusting programming during prime times on free radio that has a large youth audience. That's just a responsible thing and not unreasonable to ask. But late night or early morning radio, especially paid radio should have more freedom of expression.
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    I wonder how much heavy regulation of broadcast radio is directly linked to those in power wanting their stake in paid radio to grow?

    1 Buy interest in paid radio now while its cheap.

    b Regulate free radio to the point that its uninteresting and therefore unable to compete with paid radio.

    iii reap the rewards as your interest in paid radio grows exponentially.

    Makes more sense than the notion that HRC shot Vince Foster.
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    As Americans we have many freedoms, in the interest of society there have always been limits set. This is a legal principal that goes back to the founding of this country, rules about acceptable and unacceptable behaviorm, both public and private exist in all societies.

    Now onto radio, Over the air radio can be heard by anyyone, without a filter, at any time of day or night. Society has a legitimate interest on what happens on the licensed public airwaves. It doesn't restrict anyone's creativity to put their material on another non regulated, filtered media. If you have a format where the public has to ask for access, that is one thing, but that is not the case with public over the air radio. IMO the goverment has far less business in regulating satillate radio since it is suscriber based. It may be that some 'adult' material could have a second level of access/fee tha the customer has to request in order to enable to recieption of the 'adult' material.

    Tyler, you have the ability to see your DVD's and whatnot over the Internet, but should they be displayed on the counter of the local grocery store where a passing by 8 yr old would see the cover? Same principle here.
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    I don't believe Satellite radio should be regulated at all because they do a decent job of that themselves. They provide a categorized channel listing to their subscribers and non-subscribers, so it is the responsibility of the parent(s) to regulate and control what their children listen to. If you don't want to listen to it then don't turn it there.

    Now with that said I do believe that the free to air broadcast should be regulated as there is no rating system. Most parents do not require a rating system for there home area, but what about when they are traveling? For instance I drive from Virginia to Maine frequently and have a couple of different routes to choose from, I cannot possibly remember every radio station that I have listened to along the way and what content they play. So my issue is when you're scanning radio stations you have no control over what your children might hear. That is why I think the free to air should be regulated.

    An alternative to that which seems logical, would be to implement a rating system through the new scrolling text technology (I can't remember the name of it). I think they could use that technology to give people the ability to see the rating of the radio station. They could put an option in car stereos to delay the sound for a few seconds while the rating scrolls across or they could make it like the V chip with a code or button to unlock the channel. If they did something like that then I would have no problem with a free for all on free to air radio.

    As a parent I just want options, V chip and channel locks are great tools for television and they are the reason why I think that regulating of free to air TV broadcast should be minimized or abolished as long as the Networks are honest about their content.
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    Here comes a long one..

    Obscenity is an interpretation based on the opinions and beliefs of masses of a community. Because the concept of obscenity is often ill-defined, it can be used as a political tool to try to restrict freedom of expression. The point is, society has changed and is becoming more accepting and more liberal to what they view as offensive or obscene but the current administration is taking us backwards by trying to hide and restrict what the masses are okay with.

    I don't think anyone should go on the radio and start screaming out curse words and tell detailed re-caps of the last porn they watched. But I would like to hear conversations between real people, conversations that I'd hear if I sat with the same people in a room somewhere who were not being told what they could or could not say.

    I'm a big believer in "if you don't like what this show has to offer, change the channel." And for parents, if your kids are young, don't hide them from the real world. Give them the education about things they will encounter so when they're at a friend's house without your supervision, they may hear or see things inappropriate but won't have as much of a necessity to participate in the entertainment because it wasn't locked out to them at home.

    The more you tell a kid NO, the more curiosity you invoke. My parents taught me about the dangers of drugs early on. It wasn't a hush hush topic at home and I was allowed to watch Scarface. As a result of an honest education at home from those closest to me, I'm not out killing people and I'm not using drugs.


    On the most part, my boxcovers look like a Hollywood movie's covers...it's very rare that I show any nudity (mostly because Tower Records and places like that carry my line). But regardless, it's the same point. Adult mags and movies at mainstream venues are usually put in an adult section. Behind the counter with plastic over anything explicit or tucked away at the top of a magazine rack.

    A good education at home will help kids who see these products know what they are and not have an incredible desire to get their hands on it. And even if curiosity or teen age hormones do push them to get their own copy, a good education at home will ensure that they take their curious peek at it and then go back to studying for their exams.

    Restriction and censorship at home to our youth leads to acts and behavior in extremes that can lead to sex, drug or alcohol addiction. In worse cases, rape or violent crimes.

    I didn't become a porn star because I had a horrible childhood and was raped by a family member or any of the typical stereotypes mainstream society likes to give. I'm a good looking woman who hates acting and enjoys sex. I'm not shy and I like the idea of doing something I enjoy and getting paid for it. What's wrong with that? I don't break the law. Outside of work I live a relatively normal life and I'm happy.

    My man grew up as a musician playing with many bands and has always been in an environment where everyone around him is snorting coke, shootin' this or that...life on the road with bands. He doesn't do it. He hates drugs. He makes the right choices because of a good upbringing.

    Both of us lived in families that allowed us to watch violent movies at young ages. With education from our parents that what we watched was FICTION, for entertainment purposes only and wrong. You don't see either of us carrying guns and breaking the law.

    Ya see my point? No one wants to hand unacceptable material over to kids. But you're foolish to think that they're not going to see it or experience it anyway. So instead of preventing and masking life as it is, talk to them about it and be real with them. They will appreciate the respect and make the right decisions because of your education.

    (Hands are tired) LOL :rocker:
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    Agreed what is permissable is a moving target. There is a difference in what is allowed and what is socially approved, by the majority of society. When the pendilium swings too far in 1 direction there is a reaction against that. The current administration is probably a reflection of that push back. Whether this is backwards or not depends on whose ox is getting gored ;-). IMHO most Americans are willing to live and let live, however there are things they don't want imposed on them in the public square.

    You may not want that on the radio but other may feel their creative vision requires curse words and so on, or just that they will get away with whatever they can. Again I would differentiate between the public airwaves and what someone asks for through subscription.

    There is a balance involved in 'hiding kids from the real world', the real world is what we make it. While you have to teach kids to be able to behave in a non self destructive way, as a parent you don't want their childhood taken from them prematurely. I suspect when/if you become a parent your perspective on this will change.


    Kids soak up the totality of their enviroment, both in the house with their parents and in their community especially their peer group. This helps define what is normal. Then there is the need to try to create a favorable situation when it is time for an adolsecent's sexual imprinting. a lot of parents are very concerned about 'disruptive influences during this time (if you think it bugs Christians, check out how the Muslims react to porn). This is a legimitate concern. If yor not familiar with serial imprinting it is the concept that the nervous system is sensitive at certain times to being programmed into certain behaviors. Examples are the hormones that are release when a mammial gives birth than cause the motherly bond, children identifing who their mother is, or when they are adolesence, how their first sexual experience can determine their orientation (in some societies a boy's first sexual experience will be with an older woman of the tribe to imprint the tribes approved sexual orientation.


    I'm not familiar with your movies, so I can't speak to the coverart. however you recognize that there are images that children should be shielded from. In the same way other adult media can be 'tucked away' so it isn't likely to be accidently stumbled upon by the innocent and thase who don't whish to be exposed to this media. Hence the difference between public media and 'adult subscripition' material.



    I think this is a bit of a simplistic formulation, hormones are powerful things, and censorship isn''t necessarily the reason for antisocaial behoavior. As you know life is a lot more complex than that.

    Frankly you strike me as a bright entrentpaneurial woman. The links to your website is a subtle bit of spamming. I think you are perfectly aware of the reaction you will provoke from some folks.

    Different kids handle things at different points in their development, that is something for parents to have the opportunity to control to some expent as they see fit. They will be threathened and react strongly if they feel someone is forcing stuff they don't approve of on their kids. So there is always a moving balance between freedom and responsibility in the culture wars.

    I am sure you aren't out to mess up anyone's kids, but as you know others are, and so there is push back on stuff you consider Ok that other don't consider OK. Apparently in spite of pressure you feel restricting yor freedom of expression, you've had to oppoetunity to create a lot of content through the Internet, DVD's and Internet radio.

    Now my hands are tired!

    ;-)
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    It's a pleasure Pats13

    You're a pretty smart cookie and I enjoyed reading your responses.

    While I agree that freedom comes with responsibility, I'm also a bit defensive about society blaming other's for it's own irresponsibility.

    Now-a-days, everyone has to blame someone, everything has a label and no one wants to take their own responsibility for mistakes they have made personally or while raising their children.

    ADD, ADHD, this disorder and that disorder...I miss the old days when a kid was just considered "hyper active", disciplined and in most cases, got his chit together. Yes, there are some cases where real disorders apply but it's like Psychic Hotlines. While I'm sure there are some people in this world have some extra sensory visions about things, 3000 operators at 1-900-Psychic weren't all given that gift.

    Back to the topic, I think we're seeing eye to eye on most points. Once again, thanks for a great response. It was a pleasure!

    PS: There's some boxcovers in porn that ADULTS shouldn't have to see! LOL
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    I have to respectufully disagree with equating the internet to "skin mags and videos" we all looked at when we were kids. Hey, I was 14 years old once, hiding behind my house with my best friend looking at some Playboy magazine he smuggled from his dad's collection. Sure we were terrified of getting caught but, looking back as an adult, I can easily view this as a normal, healthy activity.

    The problem I have with the internet is the overabundance of sexual activity that is obscenely degrading, demeaning to women and just perverse above and beyond anything that could be considered "normal, healthy activity". I honestly don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors. "Judge not, lest ye be judged". But I don't think it is healthy for a 14 year boy or girl to look at images or discussions of many of the things we find readily available in cyberspace. Furthermore, it is upsetting that you can't even really avoid this stuff even if you want to. I once made an e-mail account that I decided would be used purely for business and professional correspondences (like my credit cards, bank account, work, etc). Sure enough, a few months later, I was getting all sorts of spam including an awful lot of an adult nature (complete with images, correspondence, etc).
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    The US is too uptight and crazy about regulating stupid crap. In Europe, they show "girl parts" on TV and no one is offended. After 2200 in the evening they show the "900" number commercials and what would be considered "soft core" porn on the regular TV stations.

    To me this equates to the same thing as them allowing "kids" to drink and smoke over here. They would rather attempt to contain it rather than control it. IMHO, If you lose the inhibition of the so called evil, it loses it's shine to the people that are doing it. Man, I'm having trouble explaining what I want to say....it's like this. If you tell your kid "Don't drink beer, it's the devil", your kid is going to want beer. If you tell your appropriately aged kid go ahead have a beer but stay in the house or in they yard, then drinking beer isn't going to be this big deal to him.
    This is evident with European kids. They are much more mature and well adjusted than American kids. They are allowed much more because of the culture and it takes away this wall of protection that Americans build around their children.
    It's okay for your 16 year old kid to look at boobies, smoke a cigarette and drink beer. He's going to do wether you want him to or not anyway. Contain don't control it.
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    Talk Radio is what drives the Lefty "Neo Libs" nuts, they can't control it, Al Franken tried and the Public flushed him and his Left Wing Hate Crap down the toilet.
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    Are you sitting down?
    I agree with you, again!
    However, I see no justification for ANY control of the media by the government beyond the existing but un-enforced anti-trust laws. Any enterprise, including the various radio stations and over-the-air TV outlets will police themselves the same way satellite radio does given the existing technology available theat you mentioned. Parental control is a widespread option, but many parents choose not to use it - their fault and their kids will suffer.

    I support full enforcement of the anti-trust laws by the Justice Department, elimination of the FCC, and the vigilant fight against media cross-monopolizing of huge sources of information. I'm going to post more information about the lateral media monopolies that have been built in the last 15 years when I get more time. That and the supervision of the government are very dangerous to a free society, IMO. We are not children, and we can protect our own, thank you.
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    That is how I feel about it, I don't want content taken away that may interest me because someone esle doesn't care enough to look out for their children. Personal responsibility is something that is quickly becoming a thing of the past in this country. This is an issue that I find myself blaming both the liberals and the right wing religious nuts for. The religious people want to see it banned because they don't agree with it and the liberals make a mockery of personal responsibility.

    The parents need to parent their own children and the government doesn't need to parent mine. V-chip type technologies are developed for a reason and responsible parents need to utilize it.
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    Now that one is talking about obscenity...this socieety is QUITE uptight about it..and so much so..it is ridiculous. Look at the uproar about JJ's boob!! I mean in Europe, it would have been shrugged away..Here it's a BIG deal!! A lot of this has to do with very conservative religion and the like.. But I agree here it's a do not do this and that and..instead at some point kids WANT to do that even more!!! NOT the same in Europe and teens grow up a bit different..MUCH more mature!!
    I wish somehow that Americans would feel similar and NOT be the first in line to censor and restrict. As for the politics, there have been websites shutdown because the stories on them were deemed "obscene"...it is quite chilling..where this administration will go. In general, I find the First Amendment very importnat..and every day feel that there are more and more cases of censorship.
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    The only problem I had with that is when I sit down on sunday to watch football with my son, I expect the coors twin commercials and the like but I don't expect to have a set of tits out on display. I agree it was quick and barely noticable if at all in real time. But it goes back to my point about the networks regulating themselves if they don't do it honestly then I as a parent cannot make informed decisions about what I allow my children to watch.
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    The most ridiculous question I ever heard after the Janet Jackson incident:

    "What am I suppose to tell my kid who was watching?"

    Ummm...tell your kid that her breast fell out, make no big deal of it and aside from a curious chuckle, it goes away. Point it out as the biggest, more horrible thing in the world (like many did) and the kid becomes obsessed with it...seeks more of it...it gets put in a much more larger light.

    Relax people.

    My fiance' wears a T-Shirt from his radio station a lot. Instead of Have A Nice Day it says, "Have a nice vagina".

    He wears it on planes, to the bank, whereever.

    People get SO offended by it.

    One guy sitting next to him on a plane with his little son said to him, "That's offensive!"

    Wankus: What's offensive?

    MAN: Your shirt

    Wankus: Why is my shirt offensive?

    MAN: It says have a nice vagina.

    Wankus: What's wrong with that?

    MAN: That's disgusting

    Wankus: It's disgusting to have a nice vagina? Quite the contrary. It's disgusting to have a bad vagina.

    MAN: You shouldn't have that on a public shirt

    Wankus: Hey pal, would you be mad if my shirt said "Have a nice elbow?"

    MAN: It's not the same thing

    Wankus: It's a body part, it's a play on an expression, what's the difference if it says Have a nice anything? You're too uptight and it's not hurting anyone.

    MAN: Well how am I suppose to explain it to my son?

    Wankus: First of all, your son probably didn't even notice until you made a big stink out of it. Second, you explain that a vagina is the part of a woman's body that babies come from...hopefully you've already explained this too him but it sounds like you may be a little too protective of information that your kids should know.

    (quiet rest of flight)

    LOL - Calm down people. Instead of being so offended by everything and demanding we go back to the 50s with exposure to real life things, EDUCATE our youth and they'll be fine!
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    I call the wank's tee is juvinile as much as offensive.
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    TF---Great story!!!!....Geee...I don't know what I'd say..maybe nothing..I mean what kind of BIG deal is it??? I think making the big deal is the thing of it.. I agree..relax..and don't be so uptight!!
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    Juvenile I'll give you. Unfortunately that kind of humor sells in a younger market. Offensive...nah...not at all.
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    I just found a pic of the shirt in question! LOL

    [​IMG]
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    Does government regulate too much??

    Does BIG BROTHER intrude into our lives too much??

    Have you heard of eminent doman, where BIG BROTHER can come and confiscate your property??

    Haven't you read that the Bush Administration is keeping records of all your telephone calls??

    Haven't you heard that BIG BROTHER is snooping into all your internet activities?

    Haven't you read that the Bush Administration is trying to overturn the Roe vs Wade and wants to regulate what a woman can do with her body??

    Haven't you read about the recent Supreme Court ruling that the police has the right to barge into your home without knocking on the door and letting the occupants know ahead of time??

    Does the Bush Administration regulate too much??

    Is the Pope catholic??

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    Yes, which was the point of this thread. :)
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    The one thing I find interesting is that the so called "smaller government" folks on the right quickly wish to ban and instrude on many aspects of life. They seem to want smaller government except where there are things they don't like.
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  29. pats-blue

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    Have you read it? No you haven't. I have and you were PROVEN WRONG IN YOUR UNFOUNDED COMMENTS in another thread yet you dissappeared from that thread after posting crap and then tried to push it down the page. I'm sure you won't respond because you made your contribution by throwing up crap and hoping it will stick. I'm not addressing you as you will ignore the facts and post a comment like this in a few more days once again referring to the "recent SC ruling that the police have the right to barge in" which of course you know is a LIE, but what the hell if it works for your agenda right?

    I've got to go, sorry for hijacking the thread Tyler. I have some comments on your post, for and some expanding on some points that I may or may not have a problem with IMO. Nothing to do with Sat. radio, but with some government regulation of some media. Will type later on that subject after work.
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  30. Patters

    Patters Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Pats-Blue, unless I'm misunderstanding the ruling, SCOTUS ruled that evidence can be obtained with a warrant even if police fail to first make their presence known. Seems to me, this would have the affect of a cop knocking gently on the door or speaking softly through the door, so as not to wake the person inside. It makes it easy for cops to abuse the law in the way Mikey described. Mikey's comments were over-simplified, but he got the gist of the ruling right.

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