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Don't really follow this writer, but what jumps out at you there that is moronic? Maroney will be in a battle with Taylor, the secondary is in a complete transition (three new starters from last year) and Brady will be nursed back slowly, he had a major knee operation in case you missed the memo.............
You mean Brady will fall short of his RECORD SETTING 50 td passes? WOW! What a comment.
Subtract 10 passing td's from 2007 and the Pats still could have run the table.
What jumped out at me as stupid is :
Unless you have Maroney on your fantasy team it doesn't matter whether he can beat out Taylor or not. As long as we go into the season with a strong running game, I don't care if it's from Maroney, Taylor or both (in addition to Morris and Faulk).
Mayo doesn't have the experience of Bru, obviously, but I think we'll see him "knowing the system" just fine to run it 100% should it be necessary.
The secondary is in full transition - to anyone who watched them play last season, this is a GOOD thing.
His delivery and how he phrases his points are sophmoric at best. I kind of wish he wrote the article like this:
Q. Are there durability questions with Maroney?
A. Based on his injury history, yes. He has a tremendous amount of talent but to protect themselves from potential depth-issues, the Pats were wise to add Taylor to the RB group.
Q. Will the Pats be slightly cautious with Brady's workload as they ease him back into the typical TC workload of a starting QB?
A. I think so. I'm sure the knee will be fine, but I firmly believe that the trainers, team doctors and coaching staff will be monitoring not only his knee, but his overall physical condition and playing time through out TC. Historically, the Pats limited Brady's throwing workload during camp so clearly they will follow a similar plan with their franchise player. Although it will be a challenge to duplicate his 2007 season, with the skill players such as Welker, Moss, Galloway, Faulk and the additions to the TE position and RB, coupled with a veteran OL and talented rookies such as Vollmer added to the group, the 2009 Patriot's offense will still be amongst the league's best.
Q. Should Patriot fans be concerned about Bruschi's production at age 35?
A. Yes. Although with Gary Guyton, who had a promising rookie year at ILB and which more is expected from him in 2009, it is assumed that Belichick, as it has been proven with older LBs (see McGinest, Pfeiffer, Seau), he will utilize him and put him in situations that will maximize his effectiveness.
Q. With the many new players in the secondary, should fans be concerned?
A. Not really. Bodden and Springs are new to the team, but have experience in this type of defense with other clubs. Willhite and Wheatley are in their second year with the Pats and should contribute more than the previous season. Butler and Chung are outstanding CB and safety prospects respectively and will gradually be eased into the program as the year unfolds. With Merriweather, Sanders and Tank Williams, this group is experienced, talented and should be very productive.
I love how he predicts Brady falling well short of 50 TD passes as if he's going out on anything even resembling a limb by saying that. That's only happened one time in history, so I'm going to really stick my neck out and offer up that that's a pretty safe bet.
This wasn't meant to be a clinical diagnosis, Czarnicki's past articles have heavily prejudiced him for me, this item did nothing to encourage me to reassess him.
Why is he moronic?,Because he does not see your point of view?
In that regards calling someone moronic for not seeing eye to eye with you without either of you knowing the future is well.....moronic itself in a way.
In fact by the quote of his column that you added he is right - Maroney's excuses should end now that he is healthy (for now,anyway - Once he gets banged around we will see if those bones can take it)
The fact that Tedy is slowing down is something we all recognize and there is even a thread on that today on this main forum.
And I don't know what you find moronic about the defense in full transition - It has a practically new secondary with only 2 players left from 08 if I am not mistaken and we have little in pass rush right now unless Crabel or Tully steps up to help Thomas.
The defense beyond the front 3 is definately the concern of this team and I can't for the life of me see anything 'moronic' in that paragraph.
Anyone who thinks Brady will come near 50 passes is really hoping for a duplication of 2007 - This is a different team and what should be by far a more talented running attack with Taylor on board and the ball should be run MUCH more often than in 07,especially by the assumption that BB will take the ease off of Brady early in the season if possible by running the ball.
Next you'll be defending John Tomase.
Tomase was a writer who sent a wave of negativity and wrongful accusations across the world regarding the Patriots.
This guy is a writer who gave his opinion and one of which I think many would agree with what he said in paragraph 7.
Comparing the two is ridiculous.
Using the word "excuses" about Maroney was uncalled for and moronic.
Then again, it's the same kind of stupidity that so many here have exhibited on that same topic.
Having read a number of Czarnicki articles over the past few seasons, I'm quite comfortable with my characterization of him, defend him if you must, but his sometimes keen grasp of the obvious and more than occasional flights of idiocy place him low on the read list. I should have left him for you to post, but with Toothless and maverick4 dominating the forum I was looking for anything with a mild NEP angle.
Dude is a complete MORON, I agree.
Maroney and Taylor BOTH have to beat out Sammy Morris.
Who cares if Brady gets 50 TDs? We can win a game 3-2 for all I care. A win is a win.
Barely winning the AFC East, huh? We won 11 games in it with Matt Cassel as our QB.
Somehow the returning Defensive Rookie of the year didn't understand the system? WOW! Imagine if he ever 'gets it'?????
No, no, we mustn't question the football acumen of the revered John Czarnicki, why he could soon surpass Prisco or Easterbrook in the pantheon of great writers!
Where he says the secondary is in "transition" I see it in "a state of huge improvement". Anytime you add two starting NFL cornerbacks to your team, I think its a good thing...
Its not even factual. Its like he talked to a jets fan who knew the names of players on the patriots.
Hahaha exactly. My first thought when I read that was to wonder which Patsfans poster this guy is.
I have 2 classifications for internet authors and 2 sub-classifications (which is not origional by any stretch)
Someone like Buster Olney- Credible
Someone like Tomase- Not-credible
Schilling-Mixes opinion w/ experience and facts. Writes pretty well and is entertaining.
John Cz..- Just comes accross as uniformed and paints in generalities. Not really worth bringing his musings to this board, but it's fun to trash him.
As a subset of the fourth group, I'd identify them as being the type whose opinions are about as informed and supported as something that you'd expect to find on this (or another) message board from a generic poster in the first place. Blogs like this have no real power as persuasive arguments here, since they're really no more or less credible than any other post.
P'haps, but Johnny Zzzzzz is a columnist, so is he Olney or Tomase or do you need to revisit your classifications?
Not sure. I know he writes for Fox and all, but I dont consider him a reporter (like a Olney) or a columnist (like a Bob Ryan or gasp- Steve Buckley).
Maybe this classification works- Hack
What you fail to understand is I am not saying he is not a moron per say,nor am I saying he is a great columnist either.
What I AM saying is the 'paragraph you posted' does not qualify to me as a moronic statement,Its more of an opinion and some of us would agree with some or most of that particular quote from this man that you posted.
Now whether he has said retarded things in the past I wouldn't know and maybe he IS a moron ...but not judging by that quote alone..understand?
If you could,provide us with some quotes or tidbits from past articles to show us how much of an idiot you say he is,Personally I have never heard of him before this thread.
You have been blessed.
Nothing insightful. Nothing overly entertainly. Just your garden variety, ESPN-ish offering.
whatever i have gathered from reading czarnicki in the past...he is a big BB fan
Exactly. He took the obvious and wrote in a ridiculous way. It might be shocking if Brady came close to duplicating his 50 TD performance; it's to be expected that it will be less than 40.
To anyone with half a clue about the NEPs, they know that Bruschi is almost retired and not the player he was. I fully expect Bruschi's time to be very limited by the end of the year as the replacements who are being groomed get more experience. It would not be a huge surprise (to me, anyway) if Bruschi announced his retirement tomorrow.
The only debatable part is the prediction that the Patriots "barely win" the AFC East. Time will tell; most publications have the Patriots easily winning the AFC East.
I doubt the Patirots win the East like in 07 which I think was a 6 game spread,I think 2 games would be about right.
I agree and winning by 2 games would be no tragedy. I think the AFC east is getting better and better so it should be harder to win the division. Besides who cares if they barely win the division. It is like barely winning the superbowl
Somebody likes giving all of Box's threads one star. Probably a NEM rumpswab. I have my 23 usual suspects.
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