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  1. patsfan13

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    Well the Tea Party perhaps has found a couple of leaders, specifically R PAul and T Cruz.


    They conservatives & Libertarians who hold their noses to vote for pubs are pretty fed up with pols who play lip service to principles of Freedom and Small Government our Republic was founded on.

    SO the pub party is where the fight is being fought, the Roves, McCains Bushes and O'Connells against the Tea PArty and it's leaders.

    McCain will be far tougher on Cruz and Paul than he would ever be on Obama. This battle could destroy the pubs, but the Coke/Pepsi establishment has to be challenged and an alternative presented to save the country. People like Cruz/Paul may be that alternative.

    The Elites of both parties are upset with the Cruz challenge to business as usual.


    There will be a lot of article talk on the right about this schism. I am making this thread a a repository of articles about this battle vs the establishment.



    First up How to actually challenge the prevailing 'wisdon'. SOmething that terrifies the pub establishment who want to play game to win elections instead of leading and laying out a case for freedom:






    Jeffry Lord at the American Spectator is doing a great job of documenting the war between the pub establishment and the upstarts.


    The American Spectator : Ted Cruz Extends the Buckley Rule

    As pointed out what is the point of winning elections if you don't stand for anything, after all that is the stock in trade of bums like Rove and produces candidates like McCain.
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    You keep repeating this but it isn't true. Democrats love Ted Cruz, and the more internecine warfare in the GOP the better.

    The fact is that most Tea Partiers are simply conservative Republicans. If the GOP's prescription for their current woes is simply to keep marching to the right, I say let them. It's a perfect recipe for electoral irrelevance.
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    Eh, for the Repubs to go left is the way to electoral irrelevance, a libertarian/republican direction would put them in a much more solid position.
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    You're totally right. McCain and Romney's problem was that they just weren't conservative enough.
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    #24 Jersey

    It's not just the "elites," 13. The general population doesn't want anything to do with Cruz or his crazy-theatre ideas, either.

    More Polls Prove Ted Cruz Wrong About 'the American People' and Obamacare - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)
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    Anyone that bucks the establishment gets a hug from me.

    Rand Paul I've heard speak, and I do like him. Cruz I know little of, and couldn't say much about him either way. I'll say that on the surface, he seems a little smug. Again though, no clue cuz I've never really heard him say much about anything in particular. Rand Paul I've seen on shows for a few years now. While I don't always agree with Rand, I do find him to be both logical, and articulate about the issues. I honestly hope that Rand runs in 2016, simply for the fact that I think he'd be well served by being seen on the debates. I think he can explain things much more coherently than his dad ever could. I think people would see he's not the nut that the MSM, and establishment McLames want you to believe he is.
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    Good do us a favor and vote for him in the primaries. :D
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    They weren't Libertarian/Republicans, they were Democrat/Republicans that alienated a huge part of the Republican base. Moving left for a Republican never works, you can never out-give a Democrat.
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    Good God Almighty I can't believe it, I AGREE WITH YOU.
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    Right, of course. Just like Dick Lugar was a Democrat/Republican, Bob Bennett was a Democrat/Republican, etc. etc. etc.

    Keep moving to the right and pretty soon the only folks you'll have left are Ken Buck, Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, Allen West, and Ted Cruz.
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    What I find to be really sad is that anyone would want to see our, already flaccid, two party system be taken down to a one party system by default :(

    As an American you should want what is best for America, not just what is best for your team.

    We NEED more options for leadership not less. And, no matter how much anyone rants about corporate America, they ARE driving our politics no matter who gets elected.

    Keep thinking the republicans are the party of the rich and the democrats are for the working poor. But, if you actually look at more than party slogans and see what they do you will see that they are all for the rich and just want to include themselves in that faction.
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    Your concern for the success of conservatives is so touching, More McCain's, Dole's and Romney's yup that is the path to success. :rolleyes:
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    Put it this way, 13. They were all one step more successful then the Tea Party candidates that ran against them in the primaries.

    How does that not tell you something?
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    Absolutely ... the difference is the democrats are more willing to spend money we don't have to garner votes. But they both shamefully pander to the rich ... Obama may actually pander more to the rich than Bush did.
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    Seriously, the problem is that the republican party is kow-towing to the crazy right-wing tea party. Obama was ripe for the taking during the last election. Democrats and independents wanted to vote for somebody else, but the alternatives were just blah.

    The conservatives need to come to the middle if they want to have relevance in government, the more they go right, the less relevant they will be. That is obvious in all the data.

    Our country is more liberal than it was, there are more minorities and educated young people. The old people are dying off, the folks with their backwards views and their celebration of ignorance, and anti-science styles are going to continue to lose the ability to affect elections.

    Face the facts, you gotta get on the train or be left at the station.
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    Seriously the pubs are very different than the bat ****** crazies on the left who are running the country now. :)
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    #87 Jersey

    For the 100th time, how is Paul's Tea Party message more right wing?

    -His foreign policy is definitely left of an establishment republican
    -His stance on civil liberties is way left of an establishment republican
    -His stance on drugs is left of an establishment republican

    His economic policy isn't even extreme right wing like his fathers. Wow, end Obamacare, end the fed, a 17% flat tax, what an extremist!
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    First, Obama is a moderate, he has not done anything that lefty liberal socialist. Not even ObamaCare, which is the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation (one of your favorite orgs) and Mitt Romney.

    I would love a more liberal president, but we have a centrist in office.
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    Flat taxes are a regressive tax, it takes more from the poor and leaves more for the rich.
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    Obamacare is not lefty socialist?

    Seriously?


    Jeez at least defend the clear POV of your hero. :D
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